Dr. Yoho, I’m still reading this installment but I wanted to comment first about Agent 131711…I followed him a while back but I couldn’t find his information 100% believable since he has scant links to back up his claims - sometimes none at all. Whereas Unbekoming always links, often dozens, of references. You do a good job of backing up your claims with numerous sources. For me, if an author cannot provide credible evidence to back their claims then the “facts” become nefarious.
Yes, it might all be pilpul. Look that word up. I thought it connected beautifully with the abiotic oil theory, so I republished it. I don't mean for any of my readers to disconnect their critical thinking abilities. I did not do a full background check on agent 131711. Best, and thanks for your comment. Your points are well taken. Some of the others below were not as polite.
Perhaps it’s because I’m Catholic but I really don’t get how the existence of dinosaurs or evolutionary theory disproves the Bible or God. Evolution presupposes life already existing. It says nothing about how the first self-replicating organism came to be from non-living matter a problem that remains scientifically unsolved and conveniently ignored. Atheistic evolutionists commit a profound philosophical error. They assume that if a natural mechanism can explain something, then God is unnecessary. But this is a category error of the highest order. Explaining how a painting was made the type of paint used their unique chemical components, the types of brushes, etc. Provides zero understanding for why the picture was painted, who the artist is, and how these various components miraculously became a picture from absolutely nothing. God is not merely a "filler" for gaps in scientific knowledge. He is the ground of all being the reason there is anything at all to evolve, any laws of nature for evolution to operate through, any conscious mind capable of discovering evolution in the first place. As St. John Henry Newman, a contemporary of Darwin wisely observed: Darwin's theory "need not be atheistical, be it true or not; it may simply be suggesting a larger idea of Divine Prescience and Skill.” That being said, I think there’s a case to be made that dinosaurs may be manufactured history.
The so-called prehistoric part of my brain warned me the Dinosaurs/Evolution story sounds wack. How can we have an open and honest conversation about the uncomfortable truths, hydrocarbon creation, from 252 to 66 million years ago when we still struggle to talk about the Covid and Climate era in this timeline?
The reason I disagree with this article is it agrees with Evolutionary Theory. So whoever wrote this article doesn't know what science is. You gave Evolutionary Theory legitimacy. There's no such thing. Scientifically, Evolution can only be Hypothesis.
Dinosaurs are the greatest proof we have for a worldwide flood. Because they are found in sedimentary rock layers. Sediment like from a flood. There's reptiles (terrible lizards) because they sink, mammals float. Man too!
Let me get this straight. You want me to believe the Nazis? Do you know where we get oil? Cottonseed oil, corn oil, peanut oil. Do you know where BioDiesel comes from? Oil comes from the BioMass not the Dinosaurs. Don't listen to Corsi.
Still trusting rather than thinking dialectically I see.
Abiotic oil is plausible and worth taking seriously.
Russian and Ukrainian geological tradition developed it seriously post-WWII. Thomas Gold's work is legitimate. Eugene Island refilling is documented. Hydrocarbons exist on Titan with no biology. The Fischer-Tropsch synthesis is real chemistry. The "fossil fuel" framing may well serve scarcity economics. This strand of the argument stands on its own and does not require dinosaurs to be fake.
#1- Although abiotic hydrocarbon formation is chemically and geologically plausible?
That does not establish that commercial petroleum reservoirs are continuously replenishing at extraction relevant rates. And we wont know for certain because the profit whores control the education, need the scarcity, and fund the research needed, don't want it done.
This article also confuses an important point. The standard petroleum-origin theory does not claim that oil primarily comes from dinosaurs. It attributes petroleum to ancient microorganisms, algae, and other organic matter. The dinosaur imagery came largely from advertising and popular simplification. Disproving the cartoon version "dead dinosaurs becoming gasoline" does not disprove biological hydrocarbon formation.
So the irony is:
The fossils ordinary people (including the author) actually find come from the same ancient marine environments in which the organic material identified by the biogenic petroleum theory accumulated. The principal proposed precursors are microscopic algae, plankton, and other microorganisms, rather than the visible brachiopods and crinoids themselves. Kerogen maturation is experimentally demonstrated.
It is not conclusively established that all commercial petroleum is exclusively biotic or exclusively abiotic. Funny how the world insists on thinking linearly about everything. This malformed thinking process is what keeps the herd aligned with narratives, including the narrative in this article.
The either-or framing is a dialectical error. Biogenic and abiotic hydrocarbon formation are not mutually exclusive mechanisms. Both are established facts. The planet can produce hydrocarbons through multiple pathways operating at different depths, in different geological settings, and over different timescales.
Titan confirms the central point: large quantities of methane and ethane can exist without any demonstrated biological source. The unresolved question on Earth is the relative contribution of biological and abiotic processes to particular petroleum deposits. Neither pathway has been proven globally predominant.
Abiotic petroleum origin remains an open question worth investigating.
=====================
My guess is the dinosaur hoax theory is a Yoho I.Q. test, to see how gullible we really are ?
To Claude and GPT
"How many people have found fossils ?"
"Tens of millions minimum, probably hundreds of millions if you include casual finds.
Shell fossils, plant impressions, fish, trilobites, crinoids, brachiopods — these turn up constantly in quarries, road cuts, riverbeds, beaches, backyards, construction sites, and farm fields across every continent. Amateur fossil hunting is a mass hobby. Kids find them. Farmers find them. Construction workers find them constantly — enough that major infrastructure projects routinely require paleontological survey before breaking ground.
The logical distinction the document tries to draw — ordinary people find small fossils but never dinosaur bones — is actually explained simply: dinosaur bones are rare relative to marine invertebrate fossils because large terrestrial vertebrates were always far less numerous than marine organisms, preservation conditions for large land animals are poor, and the time windows are specific. This is not anomalous. It is what the taphonomy — the science of how organisms become fossils — predicts.
The coordinated global fabrication theory requires suppressing or faking finds across the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Apartheid South Africa, Colonial Tanzania, and modern Argentina simultaneously across two centuries of geopolitical hostility.
That is not a conspiracy. That is an impossibility."
Claude
=============
"Agreed. In practical evidentiary terms, it is impossible.
To fabricate dinosaurs globally, the scheme would have to control or successfully counterfeit:
discoveries by rival states across two centuries;
finds by miners, farmers, construction crews, hikers, and amateur collectors;
independent excavations, museum collections, private collections, universities, and commercial fossil dealers;
matching anatomy across specimens found on different continents;
geological context, sediment layers, trackways, coprolites, eggs, nests, bite marks, pathology, and associated plant and animal fossils;
thousands of specialists who compete, disagree, expose fraud, and build careers by overturning prior claims.
The coordination burden is not merely “extraordinarily improbable.” It exceeds any plausible mechanism of secrecy, fabrication, logistics, and error control.
A coordinated global fabrication of dinosaurs across two centuries, hostile governments, independent discoverers, geological sites, and multiple forms of physical evidence is operationally impossible."
GPT
================
Dinosaur hoax = unsupported overreach that contaminates the credible core.
Have a great day Doc. My wife really liked your book on hormones. It was good, you should stick to medicine and stay away from "marijuana" and "dinosaurs."
Start a Substack, dude. You will find people who like what you say. Start by uploading your entire phone, and you can contact these people to start with, because it's not against the rules to email people you've already been in contact with. My best.
The Young Earth Creation movement does not believe in or support evolution and the long ages of the earth it teaches. Many young earth creation scientists study dinosaurs. One I know of is Vance Nelson. He has worked in the Hell Creek Formation in MT and the Horseshoe Canyon Formation in AB. Here is a talk he gives on his book Dire Dragons at a church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlrYQaEiQg At around 34:50 he explains about the soft tissue found by Dr. Mary Schweitzer in the bone of a T Rex found at the Hell Creek Formation in MT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Higby_Schweitzer . Check it out. This is the Museum this T Rex was kept at. https://allosaurusroar.com/museum-of-the-rockies-bozeman-mt/
My response to this article was and is surprisingly emotional. And the emotions I am talking about are the challenging kind. I did not expect that.
Early into the article, I felt skeptical about the primary premise of it. Although looking back on my experience of reading it and thinking about it, I am not sure why I tried so hard to find that it was false.
Now, I am mostly embarrassed about having been so gullible about dinosaurs, oil, and the so-called science and science history that goes with both for nearly my entire 76 years in this world.
In most areas of my life I have been a pretty good bullshit detector. It has often gotten me in seriously hot water.
In health, oncology, politics, economics, world events, history, and most branches of science, it is pretty hard to fool me. I am generally way too curious to go for the superficial mainstream view without diving deep down the rabbit hole to find what is really true.
Right now, I feel ashamed that I went for what clearly seems from my current vantage point to have been some pretty absurd assertions about the world we live in.
I also feel really sad. When I was very young, I thought dinosaurs were just the coolest thing. I really enjoyed making dinosaur models, some from kits and some from clay. So, even though they have only been gone for a few hours from my world, I miss them terribly. I feel a pretty strong sense of grief.
Then I feel grief over the loss of trust. I trusted that so-called branch of science and all involved in it, especially the museums.
Frankly, I am surprised about how strong my feelings about this are. But I guess I should not be.
I have seen the "dinosaur footprints" at Gantheume Point in the coastal area around Broome Australia. I think I even have photos of them somewhere in the vast catalogue of phone pics. When I saw them, I believed in Creation and how God created the land-dwelling dinosaurs on the same day he created all land animals (was it day 5?). I didn't question the existence of dinosaurs as they fit easily into the Creation narrative. Now, I'm wondering who or what made those "footprints" in the sandstone areas around coastal northern Western Australia.
Another astonishing article and I highly recommend Milton’s book for more. To add to your list Drugs are poison, Food is not nutritional , the very air we breathe is toxic now. I ,
I have a full book on drugs as poison coming out in a few weeks and recommend you have a look at it. It details all the things I've already written about, including opioids, marijuana, and even caffeine and cigarettes. You will be able to buy it as a hardbound on Lulu, or you can get a subscription to my Substack and grab it immediately as a PDF.
I remember as a child gazing in awe at the T-rex at the houston natural history museum… darn. The author is correct that it’s a beloved narrative to give up, for all those of us raised on dinosaur documentaries and discoveries. My kids love the sinclair dinosaur, though we haven’t taught them that gasoline is made from sinclair’s deceased brothers…
Interesting article - one question - from what I have read, Edward Drinker Cope was not heir to the Quaker Oats company. He was born into a wealthy Philadelphia Quaker family that made its fortune in the shipping business, specifically the Cope shipping firm (founded by his grandfather, Thomas Pim Cope). Quaker Oats was founded by cereal entrepreneurs Henry Seymour and William Heston, two completely separate endeavors. Just curious where Cope as heir to the Quaker Oats company info came from. Maybe I am missing info. Thank you.
Dr. Yoho, I’m still reading this installment but I wanted to comment first about Agent 131711…I followed him a while back but I couldn’t find his information 100% believable since he has scant links to back up his claims - sometimes none at all. Whereas Unbekoming always links, often dozens, of references. You do a good job of backing up your claims with numerous sources. For me, if an author cannot provide credible evidence to back their claims then the “facts” become nefarious.
Yes, it might all be pilpul. Look that word up. I thought it connected beautifully with the abiotic oil theory, so I republished it. I don't mean for any of my readers to disconnect their critical thinking abilities. I did not do a full background check on agent 131711. Best, and thanks for your comment. Your points are well taken. Some of the others below were not as polite.
Perhaps it’s because I’m Catholic but I really don’t get how the existence of dinosaurs or evolutionary theory disproves the Bible or God. Evolution presupposes life already existing. It says nothing about how the first self-replicating organism came to be from non-living matter a problem that remains scientifically unsolved and conveniently ignored. Atheistic evolutionists commit a profound philosophical error. They assume that if a natural mechanism can explain something, then God is unnecessary. But this is a category error of the highest order. Explaining how a painting was made the type of paint used their unique chemical components, the types of brushes, etc. Provides zero understanding for why the picture was painted, who the artist is, and how these various components miraculously became a picture from absolutely nothing. God is not merely a "filler" for gaps in scientific knowledge. He is the ground of all being the reason there is anything at all to evolve, any laws of nature for evolution to operate through, any conscious mind capable of discovering evolution in the first place. As St. John Henry Newman, a contemporary of Darwin wisely observed: Darwin's theory "need not be atheistical, be it true or not; it may simply be suggesting a larger idea of Divine Prescience and Skill.” That being said, I think there’s a case to be made that dinosaurs may be manufactured history.
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The so-called prehistoric part of my brain warned me the Dinosaurs/Evolution story sounds wack. How can we have an open and honest conversation about the uncomfortable truths, hydrocarbon creation, from 252 to 66 million years ago when we still struggle to talk about the Covid and Climate era in this timeline?
Dinos aren’t real, but dragons sure are!
https://www.thekurganblog.com/good-news-dinosaurs-are-real-and/
The reason I disagree with this article is it agrees with Evolutionary Theory. So whoever wrote this article doesn't know what science is. You gave Evolutionary Theory legitimacy. There's no such thing. Scientifically, Evolution can only be Hypothesis.
Dinosaurs are the greatest proof we have for a worldwide flood. Because they are found in sedimentary rock layers. Sediment like from a flood. There's reptiles (terrible lizards) because they sink, mammals float. Man too!
Let me get this straight. You want me to believe the Nazis? Do you know where we get oil? Cottonseed oil, corn oil, peanut oil. Do you know where BioDiesel comes from? Oil comes from the BioMass not the Dinosaurs. Don't listen to Corsi.
Still trusting rather than thinking dialectically I see.
Abiotic oil is plausible and worth taking seriously.
Russian and Ukrainian geological tradition developed it seriously post-WWII. Thomas Gold's work is legitimate. Eugene Island refilling is documented. Hydrocarbons exist on Titan with no biology. The Fischer-Tropsch synthesis is real chemistry. The "fossil fuel" framing may well serve scarcity economics. This strand of the argument stands on its own and does not require dinosaurs to be fake.
#1- Although abiotic hydrocarbon formation is chemically and geologically plausible?
That does not establish that commercial petroleum reservoirs are continuously replenishing at extraction relevant rates. And we wont know for certain because the profit whores control the education, need the scarcity, and fund the research needed, don't want it done.
This article also confuses an important point. The standard petroleum-origin theory does not claim that oil primarily comes from dinosaurs. It attributes petroleum to ancient microorganisms, algae, and other organic matter. The dinosaur imagery came largely from advertising and popular simplification. Disproving the cartoon version "dead dinosaurs becoming gasoline" does not disprove biological hydrocarbon formation.
So the irony is:
The fossils ordinary people (including the author) actually find come from the same ancient marine environments in which the organic material identified by the biogenic petroleum theory accumulated. The principal proposed precursors are microscopic algae, plankton, and other microorganisms, rather than the visible brachiopods and crinoids themselves. Kerogen maturation is experimentally demonstrated.
It is not conclusively established that all commercial petroleum is exclusively biotic or exclusively abiotic. Funny how the world insists on thinking linearly about everything. This malformed thinking process is what keeps the herd aligned with narratives, including the narrative in this article.
The either-or framing is a dialectical error. Biogenic and abiotic hydrocarbon formation are not mutually exclusive mechanisms. Both are established facts. The planet can produce hydrocarbons through multiple pathways operating at different depths, in different geological settings, and over different timescales.
Titan confirms the central point: large quantities of methane and ethane can exist without any demonstrated biological source. The unresolved question on Earth is the relative contribution of biological and abiotic processes to particular petroleum deposits. Neither pathway has been proven globally predominant.
Abiotic petroleum origin remains an open question worth investigating.
=====================
My guess is the dinosaur hoax theory is a Yoho I.Q. test, to see how gullible we really are ?
To Claude and GPT
"How many people have found fossils ?"
"Tens of millions minimum, probably hundreds of millions if you include casual finds.
Shell fossils, plant impressions, fish, trilobites, crinoids, brachiopods — these turn up constantly in quarries, road cuts, riverbeds, beaches, backyards, construction sites, and farm fields across every continent. Amateur fossil hunting is a mass hobby. Kids find them. Farmers find them. Construction workers find them constantly — enough that major infrastructure projects routinely require paleontological survey before breaking ground.
The logical distinction the document tries to draw — ordinary people find small fossils but never dinosaur bones — is actually explained simply: dinosaur bones are rare relative to marine invertebrate fossils because large terrestrial vertebrates were always far less numerous than marine organisms, preservation conditions for large land animals are poor, and the time windows are specific. This is not anomalous. It is what the taphonomy — the science of how organisms become fossils — predicts.
The coordinated global fabrication theory requires suppressing or faking finds across the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Apartheid South Africa, Colonial Tanzania, and modern Argentina simultaneously across two centuries of geopolitical hostility.
That is not a conspiracy. That is an impossibility."
Claude
=============
"Agreed. In practical evidentiary terms, it is impossible.
To fabricate dinosaurs globally, the scheme would have to control or successfully counterfeit:
discoveries by rival states across two centuries;
finds by miners, farmers, construction crews, hikers, and amateur collectors;
independent excavations, museum collections, private collections, universities, and commercial fossil dealers;
matching anatomy across specimens found on different continents;
geological context, sediment layers, trackways, coprolites, eggs, nests, bite marks, pathology, and associated plant and animal fossils;
thousands of specialists who compete, disagree, expose fraud, and build careers by overturning prior claims.
The coordination burden is not merely “extraordinarily improbable.” It exceeds any plausible mechanism of secrecy, fabrication, logistics, and error control.
A coordinated global fabrication of dinosaurs across two centuries, hostile governments, independent discoverers, geological sites, and multiple forms of physical evidence is operationally impossible."
GPT
================
Dinosaur hoax = unsupported overreach that contaminates the credible core.
Have a great day Doc. My wife really liked your book on hormones. It was good, you should stick to medicine and stay away from "marijuana" and "dinosaurs."
Start a Substack, dude. You will find people who like what you say. Start by uploading your entire phone, and you can contact these people to start with, because it's not against the rules to email people you've already been in contact with. My best.
The Young Earth Creation movement does not believe in or support evolution and the long ages of the earth it teaches. Many young earth creation scientists study dinosaurs. One I know of is Vance Nelson. He has worked in the Hell Creek Formation in MT and the Horseshoe Canyon Formation in AB. Here is a talk he gives on his book Dire Dragons at a church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlrYQaEiQg At around 34:50 he explains about the soft tissue found by Dr. Mary Schweitzer in the bone of a T Rex found at the Hell Creek Formation in MT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Higby_Schweitzer . Check it out. This is the Museum this T Rex was kept at. https://allosaurusroar.com/museum-of-the-rockies-bozeman-mt/
My response to this article was and is surprisingly emotional. And the emotions I am talking about are the challenging kind. I did not expect that.
Early into the article, I felt skeptical about the primary premise of it. Although looking back on my experience of reading it and thinking about it, I am not sure why I tried so hard to find that it was false.
Now, I am mostly embarrassed about having been so gullible about dinosaurs, oil, and the so-called science and science history that goes with both for nearly my entire 76 years in this world.
In most areas of my life I have been a pretty good bullshit detector. It has often gotten me in seriously hot water.
In health, oncology, politics, economics, world events, history, and most branches of science, it is pretty hard to fool me. I am generally way too curious to go for the superficial mainstream view without diving deep down the rabbit hole to find what is really true.
Right now, I feel ashamed that I went for what clearly seems from my current vantage point to have been some pretty absurd assertions about the world we live in.
I also feel really sad. When I was very young, I thought dinosaurs were just the coolest thing. I really enjoyed making dinosaur models, some from kits and some from clay. So, even though they have only been gone for a few hours from my world, I miss them terribly. I feel a pretty strong sense of grief.
Then I feel grief over the loss of trust. I trusted that so-called branch of science and all involved in it, especially the museums.
Frankly, I am surprised about how strong my feelings about this are. But I guess I should not be.
I like your "Closing" summary Robert Yoho.
Love
I have seen the "dinosaur footprints" at Gantheume Point in the coastal area around Broome Australia. I think I even have photos of them somewhere in the vast catalogue of phone pics. When I saw them, I believed in Creation and how God created the land-dwelling dinosaurs on the same day he created all land animals (was it day 5?). I didn't question the existence of dinosaurs as they fit easily into the Creation narrative. Now, I'm wondering who or what made those "footprints" in the sandstone areas around coastal northern Western Australia.
Another astonishing article and I highly recommend Milton’s book for more. To add to your list Drugs are poison, Food is not nutritional , the very air we breathe is toxic now. I ,
I have a full book on drugs as poison coming out in a few weeks and recommend you have a look at it. It details all the things I've already written about, including opioids, marijuana, and even caffeine and cigarettes. You will be able to buy it as a hardbound on Lulu, or you can get a subscription to my Substack and grab it immediately as a PDF.
I remember as a child gazing in awe at the T-rex at the houston natural history museum… darn. The author is correct that it’s a beloved narrative to give up, for all those of us raised on dinosaur documentaries and discoveries. My kids love the sinclair dinosaur, though we haven’t taught them that gasoline is made from sinclair’s deceased brothers…
That Sinclair dyno is definitely a PSYOP, and I should have included a photograph of that logo.
Interesting article - one question - from what I have read, Edward Drinker Cope was not heir to the Quaker Oats company. He was born into a wealthy Philadelphia Quaker family that made its fortune in the shipping business, specifically the Cope shipping firm (founded by his grandfather, Thomas Pim Cope). Quaker Oats was founded by cereal entrepreneurs Henry Seymour and William Heston, two completely separate endeavors. Just curious where Cope as heir to the Quaker Oats company info came from. Maybe I am missing info. Thank you.