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bagel with a schmear's avatar

Check out kaatsu.com. Invented by a Japanese athlete in the 80's it has similar effects. It has 2 arm bands and 2 leg bands and has a good deal of research to back its claims similar to the bp cuff.

Curious Outlier's avatar

This is a different method. This is not remote ischemic conditioning. This is called blood flow with exercise. It is not the same.

Yvonne M Abernethy's avatar

Do you mean different from Kaatsu? You can use Kaatsu with exercise and for instance, use lower weights.

Curious Outlier's avatar

That's correct. Kaatsu is different than remote ischemic conditioning (RIC). Remote ischemic conditioning does not require exercise and it requires a complete occlusion of the blood flow to the area.

Yvonne M Abernethy's avatar

Thanks for clarifying. 5 minutes seem like a long time for complete occlusion. Kaatsu doesn't necessarily require exercise either. It is sort of RIC lite?

Curious Outlier's avatar

Five minutes is not bad. I thought it would be too, but I've been doing it for about 35 days and it's not hard at all.

KC's avatar

Also, how long (with consistent use) until you notice any changes?

KC's avatar

My fingers always go numb when my blood pressure is taken. Is there a way to avoid this - for the 5 min sessions (25 mins total)?

Pam's avatar

Just imagine what that does to your delicate lymphatic system.

Curious Outlier's avatar

25 years of research shows that it's a positive response on human health. I've been doing it for 30 days and the only side effect has been dropping 60 seconds off of my 1 mile swim time. First time I've seen a significant improvement in over two years.

Yvonne M Abernethy's avatar

Can RIC only be used on the arms? Some weight lifters do use complete occlusion. I

Curious Outlier's avatar

Arms or legs show same benefits.

Pearl's avatar

Or no weights - it cycles on and off automatically, but it's way more expensive

Yvonne M Abernethy's avatar

I use kaatsu bands most days. I usually just use the leg bands, but I should probably use the arm bands too (more often)

Mary L.'s avatar

I thought Kaatsu recommends always starting with the arms and then legs for workouts. That's the way I've done it for a couple of years now. Sorry for the Kaatsu comment, I know it's not the same as RIC.

sadie's avatar

Was any research done on less reps? If I incorporate everything I read into my daily life I will have no time for a life... :/) lol .... sun, grounding, walking, balance exercise, cardio, resistance, dental care, lymph massage.... no end in sight.

Den Arto's avatar

The purpose of living is only to live! :)

Mary L.'s avatar

Yes, I wasn't able to get all my things done today because I added RIC today and administered it to my husband while he drank coffee and scrolled the internet. ;/

Loretta's avatar

If you do RIC you could drop half of the things you do or do half every other day. Alternate each half. (wink)

Nama Paula's avatar

Omgosh! This all has my 77 yo brain going a bit off the rails!!

Lots of serious brain work fully acknowledged; however….‼️🤭

Again my age speaking , how about a walk in the woods with a friend?!!!❤️🙏

Loretta's avatar

My kind of friend. ;-)

Philbert's avatar

Well, hmmm, that's pretty interesting all right. I'm wondering though about the effect on the arteries from being crushed shut (200 mmHg) five time a day for five minutes each. Risk of damage?

Curious Outlier's avatar

In the last 35 years of research, this has not been shown to be a problem in human or animal studies.

Philbert's avatar

Thank you.

Curious Outlier's avatar

Glad to help.

Pam's avatar

I would be more worried about the lymphatic system.

Pam's avatar

It is difficult for me to believe that the delicate and vital lymphatic system is not being damaged with this procedure.

John Alexander's avatar

I do kaatsu and very much à beginner. My feeling on this one is doesn’t feel right to have that much pressure on the arms for that long. Kaatsu has pressure on pressure off for 30 seconds I believe. Aside from any studies or research it comes back to who you believe and trust and follow one’s gut and intuition. This feels very not right to me. Too extreme. Kaatsu has a lot of information on the computer. Hate to see people hurting themselves in hopes of being healthier. Robert I don’t agree with you on this one

Explorer's avatar

I tend to agree with you here. At my GP, a blood pressure test used to make me feel unwell after only a few seconds!

Pam's avatar

Insist on the old fashioned way - not the machine. It hurts!

Don's avatar

Do the RIC sessions have to be done for 50 straight minutes (5m on 5m off)? Or can it be spread over the day? Thanks.

Jeannon Kralj's avatar

Found this wonderful overview of Dr. Yoho's work about 3 days ago.

My many years of ignorance on these vital subjects have needed this IV STAT exercise in repair, revision and reconstruction of my thinking.

Blessings to all.

https://dryoho.com/258-everything-you-believe-is-wrong-this-is-also-the-title-of-an-excellent-book-by-william-briggs/

258. EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IS WRONG (This is also the title of an excellent book by William Briggs)

By Robert Yoho MD (ret)

August 14, 2023

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Excerpt: the part about "vaccines"

"Covid is a weak bioweapon manufactured by psychopaths. Its origins were proven by viral genetic sequencing and documentary evidence. The virus would have been inconsequential had the therapies not been suppressed. Insurance company data confirm that no effect on global mortality happened until the “vaccine” rollout.

The Covid “vaccine” is a mortally damaging bioweapon. You must repeat the academic year if you do not see this by now. Since its deployment in early 2021, worldwide mortality has increased and live births have each decreased by about 20 percent. Statistics like this have not been seen in a hundred years. But humans are resilient—despite all the other attacks on us, our overall death rate never increased until the “clot shot” was deployed.

Every other vaccine, including the ones for childhood, is a significant harm (see HERE and HERE). Over the last thirty years, these caused the US autism rate to increase from 1/10,000 to 1/30. Like the psych drugs, no vaccine has been studied against proper placebos. Public health measures such as sanitation produced the following drops in death rates, not vaccines. SNIP"

@wmrw's avatar

5 minutes on, 5 minutes off, for 5 reps adds up to 50 minutes per day.

How many days a week? Three days a week, or every other day, or seven days a week? Thanks!

Curious Outlier's avatar

Typically every day. I don't think it would be a problem though to treat it just like you would exercise. Five days per week with an interval of an off day here there.

Carol's avatar

Tried this today (59 female, healthy) went up to 200, couldn’t do it, 140 is my number. Husband 69 & healthy did it 5 times with no issues @ 200.

ABIGAIL REPORTS's avatar

Not just seniors, every age.

The FDA warns seniors to avoid this vaccine after deadly complications.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fda-warns-seniors-avoid-vaccine-after-deadly-complications

Adults over the age of 60 are recommended not to get the chikungunya vaccine to prevent the mosquito-borne illness due to two related deaths, according to the FDA and CDC.

PghPatty's avatar

Hi Dr. Yoho, just to clarify - the protocol is to do five sets per day: (5 min RIC, 5 min rest) X 5. So it would take a person 25 minutes. Do this every day, 7 days per week, or 5 days per week? Thanks.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

with the rests 50 min

Nama Paula's avatar

& super far off topic….

If y’all have constipation “issues,” how about reading up on Baobab via Scott Marsland’s Substack article titled “Lightening Bug?!” Seems a lot more of a practical living hack to actually try that vs cutting off circulation to gain a performance edge. … Just sayin’

I do not mean any offense to anyone ‼️❤️🙏

Diane's avatar

The idea of complete occlusion freaks me out for some reason :). I suspect Kaatsu, even without exercise would give similiar, if less intense benefits.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

limbs survive 10 hours of occlusion

Diane's avatar

That's crazy! Thank you. i didn't know that.

DAM on the beach's avatar

I believe Dr Joseph Mercola is a proponent of this also.

Den Arto's avatar

Is there any recommendation to slowly work up to this? Number and length sessions? Seems like just jumping into that much might not be good for weaker constitutions.