Here we go again. Check back in 2057 to see if all the investigations and testing and tracking revealed the truth. How many died? How many were poisoned? How many will be poisoned? How many will die years from now from these toxins? And on, and on, and on.
Thank you for your input in this matter! The articles from you, Doomberg, and El Gato Malo give a reasoned perspective on this incident. I think people have been lied to so much in the last 3 years that it is making it difficult to parse anything that is going on and who to trust. And I live in Ohio so have had an interest in this situation.
Exactly my conclusion. Watching the incendiary attitudes toward the issues yielded the most insight for me. We have all been molested and damaged by the psy-ops. Who knows, maybe all the conspiracies are real, but he train engineers do not think so for the most part.
Forgive me for reiterating the hypothesis, posited by Yoishi Shimimatsu, that phosphene, mustard gas was in the black plume of smoke. Why mustard gas? Could this toxic cargo, emanating from an old plant in Madision, Illinois, have been bound for the Ukraine war theater?
Sorry, but I am haunted by the thought of mustard gas and its dire implications for CANCER.
Thanks to the author for this description of the industrial transport logics behind explosion & burning processes used. However he's completely omitted the issue of Complex Synthetic Chemicals CSC & now standard accident response of burning creation of dioxins & furans which can kill & injure in concentrations of one-part per trillion. This is the industrial disaster in East Palestine & health, wellbeing, livelihood & permanent environmental contamination risks for CSC disaster everywhere. Back in he 1800s such highly refined hydro-carbon derivatives were not even 1/1000th part of America' economy & lifestyle compared to today. This 20th century plastic & pharmaceutical economy, which enables centralized ownership & production transport dependent profitability. Part & parcel of parasitic central economic control, is associated Carcinogenic, Mutagenic & Teratogenic CMT extreme health risks. Frequent permanent environmental disasters have 10,000 times the heightened harm death & frequency compared to the 1800s. Hormone mimicry of such as Vinyl Chlorides in this case burning byproduct dioxins & furans lead to sterility & huge hormonal changes in addition to the above CMT. These false science processes are in complete violation of any industrial science which values the populations, which it serves. Natural Holistic Science is the legitimate foundation for sustainable industrial production & transport as part. All People should know their sacred importance to the whole cycle of production & collective intelligence as did all humanity's 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/9-undoing-false-sciencehttps://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/6-holistic-science
Dr Yoho, Thank you for your honest reaction. Industrial & chemical history is hard to fathom in all its complexity.
CROSS-CULTURAL HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE: The number, variety & volumes of Complex Synthetic chemicals used during the 1800s compared with 20th Century would be about 10,000 times less. 1800s Home products, Food Grown, Infrastructure, Industrial processes, Garbage & Effluents etc. were far more based on biosphere based materials. Transportation of hazardous materials by train, ship & horse truck was much less than this even, given materials provision much closer to manufacturing sites. Albeit the 1800s were still extractive & exploitive, dependent on the massive level of Natural Capital productivity & efficiencies left by 1st Nations & 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') peoples worldwide. Our extractive colonial empire has just about finished off / destroyed this ancient human stewarded resource. If you're interested in these kinds of historical indigenous / exogenous productivity comparisons, then a key indicator is humanity's base economy in food. The 3-dimensional Polyculture-Orchards of all humanity's 'indigenous' ancestors are 100 times or 10,000% more productive of food, materials, energy & water-cycle than 2-D 'agriculture' (L. 'ager' = 'field'). Calculations & references are given in the following Indigene Community web-site. I have 60 years of indigenous solidarity research & experience in Polyculture as well as industrial Agriculture such as Wheat & other harvests, so have put this to the test of 50 years experience. I lived & worked with Russian Doukhobor, German-Mennonite & English-Quaker farming communities 1969-80 https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/1-indigenous-welcome-orchard-food-production-efficiencies
PERSONAL BACKGROUND: During the 1970s, in British Columbia, Canada, I worked in Industrial Chemistry in a Technical Department doing quality control testing on chemicals, effluents & product in all sectors of a Pulp Mill, where dioxins formed from Pulp Chlorination are a major issue. I was a Pollution Control specialist successfully helping to bring in a Multistakeholder Participatory Investment, Share ownership & Board representation program. which successfully created a cultural-economy system of Pollution Control where all those involved had empowered agency to improve their departments. My involvement in water-quality testing, such as for e-Coli goes back to 1958. By 1979, I was Health & Safety Officer for a Reforestation Worker's Union, where defoliants such as 245T & 24D related to US Army Agents Purple & Orange were being applied in the areas our reforestation workers were engaged. I have practical environmental & epidemiological engagement & studies, for many decades. 1969-71, I worked for 3 years in one-on-one Queen's University Doctoral student support in high-mountain Structural Geological Mapping in British Columbia, Canadian Geological Survey & Idaho, US Geological Survey, along with PhD studies throughout BC in Mining Exploration techniques. In my final 1971 research, the Structural Geology PhD student & I, surrounded by 10,000 foot mountains, Glaciers, Mountain-Sheep, Mountain Cariboo, Mountain Goats, Coyotes, we talked during our walks & climbs all summer & both argued & convinced each other, both leaving the Geological discipline because Mining nature is not needed, when greater ore purity, volumes & concentrations are to be found in the cities, mostly thrown away.
I'm a Turn-Coat. I helped establish British Columbia's Uranium exploration & mining Moratorium by 1982, then the same in Quebec in 2014. I helped establish the first set of Quebec Municipal Bylaws banning Cosmetic Pesticides by 1988 then the Quebec Moratorium by 1989.
There are chemists posting online, that say this stuff should not have been burned. After reading the MSDS where it specifically, do not burn and the reason, your expert says "burn"?
Other chemists say the burn was anything but a controlled burn and the dead giveaway was the black soot in the air. I agree. A hot fire produces way less smoke and definitely not black smoke.
The argument that this happens all of the time is not true. There are accidents, this is a disaster.
Also nobody is denying trains have accidents. This is a red herring part of the argument. There are thousands of car accidents every day. Industry has gone out of its way to decrease death. Is the train industry so obtuse that they cant admit that accidents are a problem and fix them? I find that hard to swallow. This "accident quite cost billions of dollars. A few train workers make billions of dollars. The industry is stupid if they think we won't notice.
And articles are stating that the actual product they are hiding is Phosgene mustard gas. It was to be used to implicate Russia blaming Russia for a chemical attack. That one is a little out there but just as plausible as any other stories I hear.
The way everything is going down, nothing can be counted out.
Most importantly, one must consider the number of accidents should be reduced by now to near zero. The technology is there.
Everything is headed to WW3. Everything is a psy op.
And just think of all of the idiocratic health care these people will get.
There is another rumor or narrative running around that there were additives to make fentanyl which preserves organs after an overdose and as I have been learning, organ harvesting is big business. The quick decision to burn was to hide the chemicals. Has anyone heard Bull Gates has bought a large plot of land 30 miles south of E Palestine? Suddenly Ohio is popular but of course it is home to Les Wexner, former (maybe) bestie of Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, I agree that train derailments happen and it's nothing new. My son was fascinated with them and a I had gotten him a book with photos (back in the 90's). However, those were train derailments without the dangerous chemicals. But I wonder why they decided to set the chemicals on fire. Could they have drained the chemicals into other (perhaps cooled) containers. You would think we would have better ideas at how to remedy these situations by now. But it looks like we are not getting any smarter over the years, and probably the other way around (in general)
You are absolutely correct! I have been in the Enviromental Remediation business for almost 40 years. What was done by releasing the extremely dangerous Vinyl Chloride and deciding to resort to a “controlled burn” is absolutely insane and incompetent if not done on purpose (EVIL INTENT) It is important to note that only one of the six cars carrying the Vinyl Chloride was supposedly in danger. So WHY did they empty all of the contents from the remaining rail cars??? There are several options that could have been deployed that would have alleviated the immediate danger. We are always taught not to make a bad situation worse. Hell, in this case, they created a disaster which may be the worse environment disaster in the history of the United States! When you burn Vinyl Chloride, you create phosgene gas, essentially hydrochloric acid, and DIOXINS. Yes, dioxins which are one of the most toxic chemicals known to man that have spread over thousands of miles. The long term health consequences of this massive dioxin release will effect millions of people for many decades. God help us all!
Dan: your saying someone with EVIL INTENT--this means someone willingly wanted to kill off millions of animals, poison farms up and down the OH and PA valleys for hundreds of years and potentially giving terminal cancer to hundreds of thousands or millions, etc. That is what Evil Intent means. Yes, I suppose it is possible with some kind of demented and satanically bent person...but not sure how frequent these people are. I for one dont believe it, even though I do believe the theory that the covax perpetrators were intentional in the killing off millions of lives--this is EVIL INTENT.
Shift gears to dioxin. Dioxin measurement, tracking, characterization. That's where the story is at now. You can always go back to topics you have been circling when the time is right.
This is the problem. We are entering into a period of loss of confidence in governments, and rightly so. It has been a long time coming. But the danger is the pendulum will swing the other way, and instead of giving the government the benefit of the doubt, we doubt the government.
Every tragedy can't be an accident, and it can't be a conspiracy, either. This is why the nefarious actors use the guise of accidents to engage in their vile work.
Good comment. We must see things in 3 dimensions rather than flipping the switch on anyone. People have self interest and narcissism.
I am out of my depth in the technical analysis or chemistry. What I said was that the mechanics of the accident were not unusual historically. Expecting no accidents is an error in thinking.
A governer signing off on this event does not make me feel one iota better. governors and mayors are not experts in chemistry, biochemistry, toxins, and public health even though in the last 3 years, many seem to pretend that they are. At least President Trump was willing to admit he secured the help of experts even though they wolves in sheeps clothing.
DB, yes. I know. but the buck stops with them. whether they like it or not, if they gave the order, they are the responsible party. time for men to take responsbility for their actions along with men who added up two + two and got five. our world seems to have gone mad. Perhaps it can be blamed on the confusion in the minds of men who took these damned covid shots...its clearly destroying some peoples abilities to reason correctly. surprised that more disasters have not happened in the last 1-1/2 years.
Here we go again. Check back in 2057 to see if all the investigations and testing and tracking revealed the truth. How many died? How many were poisoned? How many will be poisoned? How many will die years from now from these toxins? And on, and on, and on.
Thanks for posting Dr. Yoho. Yet another layer of the big lie onion is unpeeled.
Exactly. The story is developing.
Here is Shimatsu, Part Two
February 27th.
https://rense.com/general97/chemical-weaponry-destined-for-ukraine-ignited-in-east-palestine-pt2.php Chemical Weapons In Ohio Train WreckFor Genocide By Drones In UkraineBy Yoichi ShimatsuExclusive To Rense
Thank you for your input in this matter! The articles from you, Doomberg, and El Gato Malo give a reasoned perspective on this incident. I think people have been lied to so much in the last 3 years that it is making it difficult to parse anything that is going on and who to trust. And I live in Ohio so have had an interest in this situation.
Exactly my conclusion. Watching the incendiary attitudes toward the issues yielded the most insight for me. We have all been molested and damaged by the psy-ops. Who knows, maybe all the conspiracies are real, but he train engineers do not think so for the most part.
Forgive me for reiterating the hypothesis, posited by Yoishi Shimimatsu, that phosphene, mustard gas was in the black plume of smoke. Why mustard gas? Could this toxic cargo, emanating from an old plant in Madision, Illinois, have been bound for the Ukraine war theater?
Sorry, but I am haunted by the thought of mustard gas and its dire implications for CANCER.
https://rense.com/general97/chemical-weaponry-destined-for-ukraine-ignited-in-east-palestine.php Chemical Weaponry Destined For UkraineIgnited In East Palestine Train WreckBy Yoichi ShimatsuExclusive To Rense2-21-23
Thanks to the author for this description of the industrial transport logics behind explosion & burning processes used. However he's completely omitted the issue of Complex Synthetic Chemicals CSC & now standard accident response of burning creation of dioxins & furans which can kill & injure in concentrations of one-part per trillion. This is the industrial disaster in East Palestine & health, wellbeing, livelihood & permanent environmental contamination risks for CSC disaster everywhere. Back in he 1800s such highly refined hydro-carbon derivatives were not even 1/1000th part of America' economy & lifestyle compared to today. This 20th century plastic & pharmaceutical economy, which enables centralized ownership & production transport dependent profitability. Part & parcel of parasitic central economic control, is associated Carcinogenic, Mutagenic & Teratogenic CMT extreme health risks. Frequent permanent environmental disasters have 10,000 times the heightened harm death & frequency compared to the 1800s. Hormone mimicry of such as Vinyl Chlorides in this case burning byproduct dioxins & furans lead to sterility & huge hormonal changes in addition to the above CMT. These false science processes are in complete violation of any industrial science which values the populations, which it serves. Natural Holistic Science is the legitimate foundation for sustainable industrial production & transport as part. All People should know their sacred importance to the whole cycle of production & collective intelligence as did all humanity's 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/9-undoing-false-science https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/6-holistic-science
"Frequent permanent environmental disasters have 10,000 times the heightened harm death & frequency compared to the 1800s."
Thanks much for your input but this seems like a conceptual error. Best and I'm obviously out of my depth on the chemistry.
Dr Yoho, Thank you for your honest reaction. Industrial & chemical history is hard to fathom in all its complexity.
CROSS-CULTURAL HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE: The number, variety & volumes of Complex Synthetic chemicals used during the 1800s compared with 20th Century would be about 10,000 times less. 1800s Home products, Food Grown, Infrastructure, Industrial processes, Garbage & Effluents etc. were far more based on biosphere based materials. Transportation of hazardous materials by train, ship & horse truck was much less than this even, given materials provision much closer to manufacturing sites. Albeit the 1800s were still extractive & exploitive, dependent on the massive level of Natural Capital productivity & efficiencies left by 1st Nations & 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') peoples worldwide. Our extractive colonial empire has just about finished off / destroyed this ancient human stewarded resource. If you're interested in these kinds of historical indigenous / exogenous productivity comparisons, then a key indicator is humanity's base economy in food. The 3-dimensional Polyculture-Orchards of all humanity's 'indigenous' ancestors are 100 times or 10,000% more productive of food, materials, energy & water-cycle than 2-D 'agriculture' (L. 'ager' = 'field'). Calculations & references are given in the following Indigene Community web-site. I have 60 years of indigenous solidarity research & experience in Polyculture as well as industrial Agriculture such as Wheat & other harvests, so have put this to the test of 50 years experience. I lived & worked with Russian Doukhobor, German-Mennonite & English-Quaker farming communities 1969-80 https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/1-indigenous-welcome-orchard-food-production-efficiencies
PERSONAL BACKGROUND: During the 1970s, in British Columbia, Canada, I worked in Industrial Chemistry in a Technical Department doing quality control testing on chemicals, effluents & product in all sectors of a Pulp Mill, where dioxins formed from Pulp Chlorination are a major issue. I was a Pollution Control specialist successfully helping to bring in a Multistakeholder Participatory Investment, Share ownership & Board representation program. which successfully created a cultural-economy system of Pollution Control where all those involved had empowered agency to improve their departments. My involvement in water-quality testing, such as for e-Coli goes back to 1958. By 1979, I was Health & Safety Officer for a Reforestation Worker's Union, where defoliants such as 245T & 24D related to US Army Agents Purple & Orange were being applied in the areas our reforestation workers were engaged. I have practical environmental & epidemiological engagement & studies, for many decades. 1969-71, I worked for 3 years in one-on-one Queen's University Doctoral student support in high-mountain Structural Geological Mapping in British Columbia, Canadian Geological Survey & Idaho, US Geological Survey, along with PhD studies throughout BC in Mining Exploration techniques. In my final 1971 research, the Structural Geology PhD student & I, surrounded by 10,000 foot mountains, Glaciers, Mountain-Sheep, Mountain Cariboo, Mountain Goats, Coyotes, we talked during our walks & climbs all summer & both argued & convinced each other, both leaving the Geological discipline because Mining nature is not needed, when greater ore purity, volumes & concentrations are to be found in the cities, mostly thrown away.
I'm a Turn-Coat. I helped establish British Columbia's Uranium exploration & mining Moratorium by 1982, then the same in Quebec in 2014. I helped establish the first set of Quebec Municipal Bylaws banning Cosmetic Pesticides by 1988 then the Quebec Moratorium by 1989.
There are chemists posting online, that say this stuff should not have been burned. After reading the MSDS where it specifically, do not burn and the reason, your expert says "burn"?
Other chemists say the burn was anything but a controlled burn and the dead giveaway was the black soot in the air. I agree. A hot fire produces way less smoke and definitely not black smoke.
The argument that this happens all of the time is not true. There are accidents, this is a disaster.
Also nobody is denying trains have accidents. This is a red herring part of the argument. There are thousands of car accidents every day. Industry has gone out of its way to decrease death. Is the train industry so obtuse that they cant admit that accidents are a problem and fix them? I find that hard to swallow. This "accident quite cost billions of dollars. A few train workers make billions of dollars. The industry is stupid if they think we won't notice.
And articles are stating that the actual product they are hiding is Phosgene mustard gas. It was to be used to implicate Russia blaming Russia for a chemical attack. That one is a little out there but just as plausible as any other stories I hear.
The way everything is going down, nothing can be counted out.
Most importantly, one must consider the number of accidents should be reduced by now to near zero. The technology is there.
Everything is headed to WW3. Everything is a psy op.
And just think of all of the idiocratic health care these people will get.
"The way everything is going down, nothing can be counted out."
your best thought thanks
There is another rumor or narrative running around that there were additives to make fentanyl which preserves organs after an overdose and as I have been learning, organ harvesting is big business. The quick decision to burn was to hide the chemicals. Has anyone heard Bull Gates has bought a large plot of land 30 miles south of E Palestine? Suddenly Ohio is popular but of course it is home to Les Wexner, former (maybe) bestie of Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, I agree that train derailments happen and it's nothing new. My son was fascinated with them and a I had gotten him a book with photos (back in the 90's). However, those were train derailments without the dangerous chemicals. But I wonder why they decided to set the chemicals on fire. Could they have drained the chemicals into other (perhaps cooled) containers. You would think we would have better ideas at how to remedy these situations by now. But it looks like we are not getting any smarter over the years, and probably the other way around (in general)
I know the most credible source personally and he says it all makes sense to do the burn.
Maybe we need more details why it made more sense to burn?
You are absolutely correct! I have been in the Enviromental Remediation business for almost 40 years. What was done by releasing the extremely dangerous Vinyl Chloride and deciding to resort to a “controlled burn” is absolutely insane and incompetent if not done on purpose (EVIL INTENT) It is important to note that only one of the six cars carrying the Vinyl Chloride was supposedly in danger. So WHY did they empty all of the contents from the remaining rail cars??? There are several options that could have been deployed that would have alleviated the immediate danger. We are always taught not to make a bad situation worse. Hell, in this case, they created a disaster which may be the worse environment disaster in the history of the United States! When you burn Vinyl Chloride, you create phosgene gas, essentially hydrochloric acid, and DIOXINS. Yes, dioxins which are one of the most toxic chemicals known to man that have spread over thousands of miles. The long term health consequences of this massive dioxin release will effect millions of people for many decades. God help us all!
Dan: your saying someone with EVIL INTENT--this means someone willingly wanted to kill off millions of animals, poison farms up and down the OH and PA valleys for hundreds of years and potentially giving terminal cancer to hundreds of thousands or millions, etc. That is what Evil Intent means. Yes, I suppose it is possible with some kind of demented and satanically bent person...but not sure how frequent these people are. I for one dont believe it, even though I do believe the theory that the covax perpetrators were intentional in the killing off millions of lives--this is EVIL INTENT.
This is not the work of one deranged person . Unfortunately, if it was truly EVIL INTENT, many were involved.
Shift gears to dioxin. Dioxin measurement, tracking, characterization. That's where the story is at now. You can always go back to topics you have been circling when the time is right.
bingo
This is the problem. We are entering into a period of loss of confidence in governments, and rightly so. It has been a long time coming. But the danger is the pendulum will swing the other way, and instead of giving the government the benefit of the doubt, we doubt the government.
Every tragedy can't be an accident, and it can't be a conspiracy, either. This is why the nefarious actors use the guise of accidents to engage in their vile work.
What conspiracy? There was an accident. They screwed the process up.
The government didnt show up for 10 days . They told the residents were safe but wouldn't drink the water.
If you paid attention there were plenty of conspiracies from purposely messing with the wheel to making sure the right chemicals where in the car.
Good comment. We must see things in 3 dimensions rather than flipping the switch on anyone. People have self interest and narcissism.
I am out of my depth in the technical analysis or chemistry. What I said was that the mechanics of the accident were not unusual historically. Expecting no accidents is an error in thinking.
A governer signing off on this event does not make me feel one iota better. governors and mayors are not experts in chemistry, biochemistry, toxins, and public health even though in the last 3 years, many seem to pretend that they are. At least President Trump was willing to admit he secured the help of experts even though they wolves in sheeps clothing.
DB, yes. I know. but the buck stops with them. whether they like it or not, if they gave the order, they are the responsible party. time for men to take responsbility for their actions along with men who added up two + two and got five. our world seems to have gone mad. Perhaps it can be blamed on the confusion in the minds of men who took these damned covid shots...its clearly destroying some peoples abilities to reason correctly. surprised that more disasters have not happened in the last 1-1/2 years.