Generally good responses to people's concerns. However, I think if you are going to title something 'A Study in Hysteria' it was a predictable outcome that there would be significant push back if there was anything of merit to be concerned about in the situation. And there clearly is merit for concern which is acknowledged in the article and these statements. So why the assumption that "Highly skilled hazardous material professionals are on the scene, and I assume they are trying to make the best decisions." I have zero latitude for those with 'good intentions' anymore. Zero. Do your job with excellence or find a less critical field.
I love a reasoned approach, as well as one that challenges my assumptions about a situation. So thanks for being brave enough to voice something this controversial. It would still be my opinion though that the writeup granted far too much latitude to the legitimacy of the EPA efforts in spite of their clear track record of being a captured agency- like every other U.S. regulatory agency I know of.
I am an MD with a Masters degree in chemistry. My graduate research paper was on 2,3,7,8 Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (2,3,7,8 TCDD). I have several comments specifically on the dioxin matter in this event.
1) The specific reactions that create dioxins are different for every type of dioxin, so it is hyperbolic to assert that everyone in the vast exposure zone will be intoxicated by dioxin.
2) On the opposite side of this, the "controlled burn" was only controlled in the size of the fire, and an open burn of vinly chloride CANNOT control the type of created contaminants, virtually all of which will have varying degrees of toxicity.
3) Different dioxins have different levels of toxicity, with the 2,3,7,8 TCDD the most toxic. This is the version that most people refer to when they say "dioxin", but it is not the most prevalent product in open burn of vinyl chloride, to the best of my knowledge.
4) Even if only minute levels of dioxins are released in a burn, the toxicity of the agent is so high that horrible consequences can result.
5) The size of the burn was enormous (as seen from space) and the black cloud produced was a Pandora's Box of dioxins and nearly as toxic non-dioxin chemistry that you will, hopefully, ever see.
6) No-one, to my knowledge, has even begun to approach the actual analysis of the scope and severity of the catastrophe. This is typical in the current la-la-land bureaucracy that passes for a government. Just have the press write more articles to make it go away, magic!, it's not a problem any more.
7) They don't want to have to mount a response because they no longer have the capacity to. The frank incompetence is what they ignore on one hand, and deny on the other. The widespread denial that our system is collapsing is just a manifestation of the drug addled populace which cannot cope with the hostile realities that we are facing. Voting the bums out will no longer solve anything. There is nobody coming to the rescue.
In a time of insanity, your reasonable, evidence based writing is refreshing. If we can’t at least stay calm and logical, we have no hope of finding solutions or even believing they exist at all.
Can anyone recognize we are in the process of ideological subversion presented by Yuri Bezmenov, ex KGB?
1.Demoralization. For this step in the process, 15 – 20 years are needed. That is the amount of time required to educate a generation. Helping along the way are media and teachers who have become sympathetic (consciously or unconsciously) to the theoretical causes of the subverting nation. Bezmenov claims that the USSR was surprised at how easy this phase was in the US.
2. Destabilization. Following the earlier phase, this is a two to five year period to change the target country’s foreign relations, defense, and economy.
3. Crisis. Perhaps six weeks of chaos as a climatic turning point.
4. Normalization. This stage changes the appreciation of what the status quo looks like. Bezmenov’s description of this phase also includes military take over.
Watch his G. Edward Griffin interview sometime, it is a historic warning.
A week before the derailment, everyone in Palestine was provided with an ID for emergency personnel to track them. In Jan, the CDC changed the allowable exposure for vinyl chloride on a draft for public comment, final version in May.
"Many more details will appear in the NTSB's final report..." But when might we see that final report? No final report issued yet regarding the Sept 2021 Amtrak derailment at Joplin, MT. https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230221.aspx
Biden like always was very slow to react, a disaster of this level needs Fema on the scene as soon as possible. Then he ignores the seriousness to go to Ukraine to give away more of our tax $$ to Ukraine. That small plane that went down in AR carried the crew sent to check it out. the Ohio Disaster. That was learned later. Tennessee lost 2 National Guards in that flight. People see on TV he doesn't care about the disasters in America. It is his job. If he couldn't go Harris who just had a HUD speaking engagement could have gone. I can see not wanting to get in the way, but 12 days had passed. Then he does a fake photo op and falls UP the stairs of AF1. People are hurting badly over his Economic policies. His ignoring disasters just adds to it. He's either in Delaware or elsewhere, with very few days in the WH to sign EO'S WE LOATHE. Dr. Jill was on her way to Africa. Not one of them seemed to care.
In 2010 we had days of heavy rain, and the levy broke, it flooded much of the town of Millington, TN, and most of the South side of the US NAVAL BASE, BUPERS. The town stunk of sewage, homes were damaged, and ONE LONE FEMA BUS was sent. The Navy called in the big buses of Serve Pro for clean up, as well as what the Service men did. It damaged the Housing, Commissary, Exchange, and Pharmacy. The base was off-limits for months. The President in the year 2010 was Barack Obama. It seems to be a pattern of Democrat presidents ignoring disasters in their own country. Lots of photos. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=millington+th+flood+naval+base&va=b&t=hr&iax=images&ia=images.
Thankfully the Fire at Oak Ridge National Laboratory was contained quickly, and not a threat to the public. But that was due to extensive training the personnel do.
Oh so it was an unfortunate accident. I suppose the planeload of investigators that died in an aircraft accident in Arkansas was an unfortunate incident.
Dioxin is a by product of an uncontrolled burn of some of the chemicals in that train.
This was not a controlled burn. Evidence is plain as day. Black soot cloud. Black soot indicates the product you are trying to burn is in the air and not burned at all. A controlled burn is done in a furnace at a controlled temperature, controlled oxygen and controlled amount of product. This burn was at best a cowboy fuckit move. At worst a conspiracy to rid the country of Trump supporters and poison vast areas of land. One only has to look at the vaccine deaths in Republican states to see they are out to kill any conservative they can. Is this just another one of these little pieces of getting rid of the conservative bubble.
By the way people can still smell this shit in the air.
And the black smoke was just another way to spread poison and dioxin further into the land. The problem was not contained at all.
Buttigieg is either an idiot or a pawn to help in the extermination.
Generally good responses to people's concerns. However, I think if you are going to title something 'A Study in Hysteria' it was a predictable outcome that there would be significant push back if there was anything of merit to be concerned about in the situation. And there clearly is merit for concern which is acknowledged in the article and these statements. So why the assumption that "Highly skilled hazardous material professionals are on the scene, and I assume they are trying to make the best decisions." I have zero latitude for those with 'good intentions' anymore. Zero. Do your job with excellence or find a less critical field.
I love a reasoned approach, as well as one that challenges my assumptions about a situation. So thanks for being brave enough to voice something this controversial. It would still be my opinion though that the writeup granted far too much latitude to the legitimacy of the EPA efforts in spite of their clear track record of being a captured agency- like every other U.S. regulatory agency I know of.
Robert,
I am an MD with a Masters degree in chemistry. My graduate research paper was on 2,3,7,8 Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (2,3,7,8 TCDD). I have several comments specifically on the dioxin matter in this event.
1) The specific reactions that create dioxins are different for every type of dioxin, so it is hyperbolic to assert that everyone in the vast exposure zone will be intoxicated by dioxin.
2) On the opposite side of this, the "controlled burn" was only controlled in the size of the fire, and an open burn of vinly chloride CANNOT control the type of created contaminants, virtually all of which will have varying degrees of toxicity.
3) Different dioxins have different levels of toxicity, with the 2,3,7,8 TCDD the most toxic. This is the version that most people refer to when they say "dioxin", but it is not the most prevalent product in open burn of vinyl chloride, to the best of my knowledge.
4) Even if only minute levels of dioxins are released in a burn, the toxicity of the agent is so high that horrible consequences can result.
5) The size of the burn was enormous (as seen from space) and the black cloud produced was a Pandora's Box of dioxins and nearly as toxic non-dioxin chemistry that you will, hopefully, ever see.
6) No-one, to my knowledge, has even begun to approach the actual analysis of the scope and severity of the catastrophe. This is typical in the current la-la-land bureaucracy that passes for a government. Just have the press write more articles to make it go away, magic!, it's not a problem any more.
7) They don't want to have to mount a response because they no longer have the capacity to. The frank incompetence is what they ignore on one hand, and deny on the other. The widespread denial that our system is collapsing is just a manifestation of the drug addled populace which cannot cope with the hostile realities that we are facing. Voting the bums out will no longer solve anything. There is nobody coming to the rescue.
Best thing is... it's bringing me closer and closer to God. I need that.
In a time of insanity, your reasonable, evidence based writing is refreshing. If we can’t at least stay calm and logical, we have no hope of finding solutions or even believing they exist at all.
Can anyone recognize we are in the process of ideological subversion presented by Yuri Bezmenov, ex KGB?
1.Demoralization. For this step in the process, 15 – 20 years are needed. That is the amount of time required to educate a generation. Helping along the way are media and teachers who have become sympathetic (consciously or unconsciously) to the theoretical causes of the subverting nation. Bezmenov claims that the USSR was surprised at how easy this phase was in the US.
2. Destabilization. Following the earlier phase, this is a two to five year period to change the target country’s foreign relations, defense, and economy.
3. Crisis. Perhaps six weeks of chaos as a climatic turning point.
4. Normalization. This stage changes the appreciation of what the status quo looks like. Bezmenov’s description of this phase also includes military take over.
Watch his G. Edward Griffin interview sometime, it is a historic warning.
A week before the derailment, everyone in Palestine was provided with an ID for emergency personnel to track them. In Jan, the CDC changed the allowable exposure for vinyl chloride on a draft for public comment, final version in May.
Thanks for addressing this. I haven’t read the original post yet. Does he confirm or deny the Pete Buttigeig (sp) claim
Here is the NTSB initial report. Lot more info. https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/RRD23MR005.aspx
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"Many more details will appear in the NTSB's final report..." But when might we see that final report? No final report issued yet regarding the Sept 2021 Amtrak derailment at Joplin, MT. https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230221.aspx
Biden like always was very slow to react, a disaster of this level needs Fema on the scene as soon as possible. Then he ignores the seriousness to go to Ukraine to give away more of our tax $$ to Ukraine. That small plane that went down in AR carried the crew sent to check it out. the Ohio Disaster. That was learned later. Tennessee lost 2 National Guards in that flight. People see on TV he doesn't care about the disasters in America. It is his job. If he couldn't go Harris who just had a HUD speaking engagement could have gone. I can see not wanting to get in the way, but 12 days had passed. Then he does a fake photo op and falls UP the stairs of AF1. People are hurting badly over his Economic policies. His ignoring disasters just adds to it. He's either in Delaware or elsewhere, with very few days in the WH to sign EO'S WE LOATHE. Dr. Jill was on her way to Africa. Not one of them seemed to care.
In 2010 we had days of heavy rain, and the levy broke, it flooded much of the town of Millington, TN, and most of the South side of the US NAVAL BASE, BUPERS. The town stunk of sewage, homes were damaged, and ONE LONE FEMA BUS was sent. The Navy called in the big buses of Serve Pro for clean up, as well as what the Service men did. It damaged the Housing, Commissary, Exchange, and Pharmacy. The base was off-limits for months. The President in the year 2010 was Barack Obama. It seems to be a pattern of Democrat presidents ignoring disasters in their own country. Lots of photos. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=millington+th+flood+naval+base&va=b&t=hr&iax=images&ia=images.
Thankfully the Fire at Oak Ridge National Laboratory was contained quickly, and not a threat to the public. But that was due to extensive training the personnel do.
Sabotage.
Oh so it was an unfortunate accident. I suppose the planeload of investigators that died in an aircraft accident in Arkansas was an unfortunate incident.
Dioxin is a by product of an uncontrolled burn of some of the chemicals in that train.
This was not a controlled burn. Evidence is plain as day. Black soot cloud. Black soot indicates the product you are trying to burn is in the air and not burned at all. A controlled burn is done in a furnace at a controlled temperature, controlled oxygen and controlled amount of product. This burn was at best a cowboy fuckit move. At worst a conspiracy to rid the country of Trump supporters and poison vast areas of land. One only has to look at the vaccine deaths in Republican states to see they are out to kill any conservative they can. Is this just another one of these little pieces of getting rid of the conservative bubble.
By the way people can still smell this shit in the air.
And the black smoke was just another way to spread poison and dioxin further into the land. The problem was not contained at all.
Buttigieg is either an idiot or a pawn to help in the extermination.
Well done and informative
The state of Ohio has a lot of coverage here: https://governor.ohio.gov/media/news-and-media
Here is EPA's East Palestine, Ohio Train Derailment Emergency Response site: https://www.epa.gov/oh/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-emergency-response