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Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

You will see that I deleted some people from the comments. These are trolls, and they are disrespectful or even abusive, and they are likely paid agitators, who demonstrate that I am bombing over the target and should be taken seriously. The groundrules here are simple: disagree but don't be repetitive or nasty and try to support what you say. Don't be repetitive, either.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

Ionome Labs (from Jonathan)

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Someone else posted Kory's chapter on Al. It is meant to assuage fears of aluminum since its a central component of Aurmina. Nowhere in the chapter did he show before/after aluminum testing or any testing for that matter. He did not discuss the gastric acid potential to dealuminate the product which is very common for zeolites (also alumino-silicates). I have tested too many people that were toxified by zeolites to trust their safety. I apply the same hesitancy to Aurmina. Until someone can show me a clear, tested safety profile of their personal use with alumino-silicates my default is to avoid.

john's avatar

This interview caught my attention wrt treatment/cure for Parkinson's disease - please see 50:38-52:21 and 31:29-32:55.

https://rumble.com/v4omx85-dr.-bryan-ardis-what-you-dont-know-about-nicotine-could-kill-you-exposing-t.html

Dingo Roberts's avatar

"I have tested too many people that were toxified by zeolites to trust their safety."

I've shared my concerns about this to zeolite proponents and got crickets in return.

"I apply the same hesitancy to Aurmina."

I responded there as well. Exley says the non-bioavailabilty claims are BS.

Kris Adelsberger's avatar

This was very helpful and interesting. I currently take boron magnesium chloride with a tablespoon of diatomaceous earth, which is 80% silica daily, as well as iodoral, selenium, D3 and high dose of K2 45k mg

This along with periodic protocols of chlorine dioxide solution I feel like I am detoxing well.

Just to make sure I have Boyd Haley’s NBMI

What I do not have is an Oligoscan. You know what you mentioned in the video one could be purchased without a license for roughly $4500. ???

I contacted the company or one of the distributors and I was asked to provide my medical license before they could sell it to me has this changed? Or do you have a contact for a non-doctor to purchase one? This could help so many people around me. Please help if your able

EW's avatar

Aluminum aerosol injection is not a conspiracy theory. It is proven by Dane Wiggington's research. They have taken air samples at altitude when following planes that are spraying and it shows Ethylene Dibromide, Virally Mutated Molds, Nano-Particulates of Aluminum and Barium, and Polymer Fibers with Unidentified Bio-Active Material. Visit https://geoengineeringwatch.org

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

Dane W is not credible

I won't repeat my rebuttals here

Dingo Roberts's avatar

Dane Wittington's website is full of entirely self-referential and unsubstantiated claims. Ironically (?), these kinds of people (such as Agentwhatever his name is) attract the most rabid intellectual dullards who pollute comment sections all over the place.

Mark Wayne's avatar

I agree, you are not credible.

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Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

This is a personal attack, and I will leave it up as an example of what I do not tolerate. See Butchered by "Healthcare" for the story of my conventional career's end.

Roman S Shapoval's avatar

This is also why EMF is damaging: what happens when we put tin foil in the microwave? What are our brains in the microwaved Earth if not sacks of aluminum? EMF makes the blood brain barrier permeable to aluminum and other toxins. Thank you for covering this!

Mark.Kennard's avatar

We have a Rio Tinto aluminium smelter at tiwai point in New Zealand. At school many decades ago, our schoolteacher told us it was built at tiwai point as the prevailing wind would blow the aluminium pollution out to sea. But of course, it just comes back again in a different wind. It lands on our waterways and those districts that rely on treated surface water for drinking, have more aluminium added to the water than those that get it from acquirers. Like where I live, which is an agricultural area.

A few years back I made comments on news stories on social media about the smelter, how dangerous it was, and Rio Tinto was not looking after their workers health and safety by not giving them regular aluminium hypersensitivity testing.

I sure got a lot of push back on my comments by workers at the smelter so I know it made its way back to the halls of tiwai point.

Then a strange thing happened. Rio Tinto threatened to pull out of NZ. Politicians had meetings with Rio Tinto and they eventually agreed to stay. This was very coincidental, and I do wonder if the politicians affirmed their promise to Rio Tinto to deny that metals cause harm in humans.

We have one of the highest rates of mental illness in the world and the susceptible are those with inefficient detox processes like mthfr variant humans. Mental illness in my experience and that of many others is the name that has been given to the symptoms of neurotoxicity to aluminium.

When I mentioned in the past how i get hypersensitive to aluminium and aluminium salts when exposed, which causes metal intoxication, the look on GPs and psychiatrists faces have been one of fear and they respond with denial, and even attacks on your reputation. They have even written in letters that “this guy knows a lot,” as I do, because I’ve had many many experiences that resolved on lowering my exposure to aluminium and aluminium salts, and even demonstrated to my dr that the aluminium in vaccines causes this everytime.

The aluminium industry are holding governments to ransom. The ransom paid is our health. While those in the mthfr human variant subgroup or similar, have a lower tolerance, and react in the first few weeks or months of being exposed to aluminium over their limit, non-mthfr humans, those who have efficient detox processes, may not see problems appear until later in life.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

Mark has an unusual sensitivity

Mark.Kennard's avatar

One whole side of my family does. The other side does not. The difference between the mthfr variant side and the side of the family that isn’t is incredibly revealing. The mthfr side have adverse events and chronic illness with severity depending on their exposures. The mthfr side that took the mrna jab had problems and one died. Those on the other side of the family were fine with the mrna jab.

The fda immunology panel investigating biological responses to implant metals put out an interim statement that stated there is a subgroup of the population that has stronger biological responses to implant metals than other people. There was huge public submissions including from surgeons who became hypersensitive to their hip implants. Aluminium is a very common implant metal in modern dental work as aluminium salts, and weight bearing implants. My current problem is the presence of a blob of bone cement in my blood supply. As it can’t be removed, removing other foreign objects from the body, mitigates the symptoms.

I tried looking for Oligoscan in New Zealand but they all seem to be in the north island. It’s definitely something I’m going to put money away for airfares and the scan once my current interventions have finished. I’ve always reversed chronic illness in the past and am confident I can do it again this time, even without the need to remove the bone cement from inside my spine. I have always been successful in the past and am determined to get back into the workforce and back to a normal life.

Tirion's avatar

Be well!

Rodney's avatar

Excellent article, a keeper for sure.

From what I have learned another good source of silica is diatomaceous earth.

It will move aluminum out of your body as well as doing a bunch of other good things for you.

Ionome Labs's avatar

DE doesn't absorb so does nothing for Al detox.

Rodney's avatar

I think you are wrong about that. Show your proof or ...

Ionome Labs's avatar

Let me explain how things work - in standard scientific reasoning and in formal debate the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim, not on others to disprove it. Show your evidence that DE "will move aluminum out of your body". I'd also love to see your before and after n=1 testing on using DE for aluminum elimination.

Rodney's avatar

Okay I went looking for the sources of my info. It appears that Silica-Rich water might help reduce aluminum bioavailability and burden. As DE contains a large amount of silica it was considered to do the same. On careful reading it appears to be useful only in the gut. Aluminum stored in body tissue will not be reached. So it is only marginally effective.

Ionome Labs's avatar

Correct. At best, 1% absorbed.

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Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

Mary, "shameless grifter," will not be tolerated, and you are wrong about the above. Do your best to be respectful; this is not Reddit. I have a (sort of) academic paper about OligoScans in the "Tamara's Machines" post.

Ionome Labs's avatar

I think you missed the interaction. Calm down and review the thread again.

fits6's avatar

Fantastic information. I am going to share this post on social media. THanks for the info on Oligoscan and the Aluminum Export. I will do both. I do not take and never will take zeolite. I'm doing a lot right but I cannot help breathing it in no matter where I go. After years of explaining to friends, clients and family that aluminum exposure is one of the main causes of the outrageous escalation of neurodegenerative diseases in the last 25 years, I gave up talking about it. I don't understand how people don't see this. Geoengineering of the skies is the cause of the aluminum found in soil and water. I tested water in 6 states and 6 counties in California, they all came back with a 1 inch thick layer of orange residue that settled on the bottle of the glass after several hours. I would like to have that tested. I can tell you that ALL the water I tested came back with the orange layer. Spring water, many different brands of bottled water, purified water, Berkey filter water... ALL CONTAMINATED. As I supsected, the only clean water was distilled. I have been drinking distilled water for 4 years and will NEVER drink any other. Sea salt mineralizes the water. I'm good. Thank you for the time you put in to get this information out. It's priceless.

Carol's avatar

We only drink distilled, just 2 of us, counter top model works fine. Really wish there was a whole house distiller available for a reasonable price. Dog drinks distilled too.

Miguel Aguilera's avatar

how do you replace your minerals?

Miguel Aguilera's avatar

If you do not replace your minerals after drinking only distilled water, I would think that it may cause so issues for you. I have seen patients who only drink distilled water and they end up with heart arrhythmias.

Carol's avatar

Don’t minerals come from food? We have been drinking distilled for 3+ years & are healthy @ 60 & 70 years of age.

Ionome Labs's avatar

We love to see the results if you test. We’ve used this https://mytapscore.com/collections/rainwater-harvesting-water-test-kits

fits6's avatar

Thank you, I will look into this. Great resource.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

what about RO water?

I'm on the edge of getting a distiller from Costco

and thanks for your sophisticated comment

fits6's avatar

RO works too... more expensive but it works. Also, you can RO your entire house. This would be a good idea because the contaminants in the city water, particularly when heated and combined with all the other matter, is very unhealthy. Here is the real problem.

With organic matter: Chlorine reacts with naturally occurring organic compounds like humic and fulvic acids (from decaying plants and soil) to form halogenated DBPs, including trihalomethanes (THMs) and haloacetic acids (HAAs). These are regulated carcinogens linked to long-term health risks such as bladder cancer, reproductive issues, and developmental disorders.

With inorganic matter: Chlorine reacts with ammonia to form chloramines, which are less effective than free chlorine but can still produce DBPs. In waters containing bromide or iodide, chlorine can oxidize these ions to form brominated (Br-DBPs) and iodinated (I-DBPs) compounds, which are often more toxic and carcinogenic than their chlorinated counterparts.

Environmental impact: Excessive chlorine use—especially during events like the COVID-19 pandemic—has led to increased DBP formation in wastewater, stormwater, and surface waters. These compounds are persistent, bioaccumulative, and harmful to aquatic ecosystems, affecting plankton, microorganisms, and even groundwater.

Dr Christopher Exley's avatar

Please provide independent peer-reviewed published science that the 'Oligoscan' can provide accurate, reproducible data on the aluminium content of the body. As far as I can see this podcast is wholly an advertisement for something that cannot do what it is purported to do. Dr Yoho, if you really want to know about and understand aluminium then read my published research. Crouse by the way has never published any peer-reviewed science on aluminium.

You are right about the tyranny of human exposure to aluminium but you are not using real science to support this view. If the Oligoscan was truly useful in aluminium science then individuals like myself who have been researching aluminium for decades would be using it in peer-reviewed published science.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

Thank you for your input, Chris. Fans, this man is the biggest name in Al research and almost could be said to have started the whole thing.

Re: "Please provide independent peer-reviewed published science". Chris, if you still believe in that, you believe in the Easter Bunny. We are left now with strings of case reports, and the "real scientists" are looking for funding in the money streams that will instruct them what to say before the study is done.

Also, " If the Oligoscan was truly useful in aluminium science, then individuals like myself who have been researching aluminium for decades would be using it in peer-reviewed published science." After what you have been through at the hands of the AL industry, did you really say that? Current "science" is a tissue of frauds--as you learned through the hard experience of losing your lab.

All my best and respectfully,

Ionome Labs's avatar

Chris, we disagree on a key premise: “not in peer‑reviewed literature yet” does not equal “doesn’t work.” Peer review is a filter for what gets published, not a metaphysical test of what is real.

Many clinically useful tools and interventions were used effectively for years before the first peer‑reviewed paper ever appeared (or before the papers were good enough to satisfy skeptics).

Conversely, the literature is full of peer‑reviewed findings that failed replication or turned out to be clinically irrelevant. Peer review is a starting point for scrutiny, not the final word on truth.

In this case, there are three separate questions you are conflating:

1. Does Oligoscan have a peer‑reviewed validation as a quantitative aluminum assay?

No. On that, we agree. It is not a gold‑standard tool for total body aluminum burden, and we have never claimed it is.

2. Is there a scientifically coherent rationale that our product should work?

Yes. The chemistry and human data around silicic acid, aluminum complexation, and increased renal excretion are well described in the literature you helped build. The mechanism does not depend on Oligoscan being perfect; it depends on known aluminum–silicon interactions (and other elements) and documented changes in urinary aluminum under conditions of raised orthosilicic acid.

3. Is it legitimate to use a non‑gold‑standard clinical tool to observe trends while applying a mechanistically sound intervention?

Absolutely. That is how we use Oligoscan: as a clinical trending tool, not as a substitute for 26Al work.

You are essentially saying: “If it’s not supported by peer‑reviewed papers, it doesn’t count as real.”

What I am saying is:

- Real science = mechanistic plausibility + empirical observation + openness to being wrong.

- Peer review is one, important layer of that, but it isn’t the only admissible form of evidence—especially in early translational work and field practice.

On Oligoscan specifically:

- We accept that it is not as a research‑grade aluminum assay.

- We do not accept that this makes our protocol “unscientific,” given that the mechanism is grounded in orthodox aluminum–silicon chemistry and human excretion studies, and Oligoscan is being used as a secondary clinical signal.

If you are genuinely interested in whether this product changes aluminum handling in a way that would satisfy your standards, the solution is simple and constructive:

We will happily provide product and collaborate on a small, tightly designed study that uses methods you consider acceptable, and we can leave Oligoscan completely out of it.

If under those conditions the product has no effect, that will show up. If it does have an effect, then by your own standard it will have crossed from “not real” to “peer‑reviewed real.” Until then, saying our product is “something that cannot do what it is purported to do” solely because it is not yet in the literature is less science and more gatekeeping.

I would hope that if there was another way to help people with aluminum toxicity, you’d be curious and interested rather than dismissive.

Dr Christopher Exley's avatar

Any educated chemist will understand that aluminium is described as spectroscopically silent. It cannot be determined spectroscopically without using a spectroscopically accessible intermediate such as, for example, pyrocatechol violet, and others. If we accept that the Oligoscan has not been validated as an instrument for the measurement of aluminium in the peer-reviewed scientific literature then perhaps instead you can describe herein exactly how it measures aluminium. Over to you.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

Oligoscan has wide experience and is accepted. Since there is no money in working against the Al industry poisoning us (you acknowledge this) studies are not funded.

Hugh's avatar

I like your big question mark over the Oligoscan.

Oligoscan provides a generalised snapshot of mineral status and is quite clever for what it is, however it's expensive and nowhere near good enough for clinical insights let alone prescribing.

It's no good in my view for two reasons

1. Results not reliable or replicable - I know of instances where a second scan within a couple of days at a different practitioner showed different results.

2. Meaningless report - the numerical values in the results are arbitrary internal reference ranges, the horizontal bars of the graph only provide a generalised overview without indicating mineral ratios, which are as important as values and those provided are clinically useless.

You've raised the most important aspect which I hadn't thought to query .. nothing is validated and every statement by Oligoscan or its advocates avoids answering to this.

Dun Runnin's avatar

At this site: https://www.theoligoscan.com/ The report calls out aluminum as a “heavy metal” which makes me suspect that whoever is offering this test is not competent in chemistry.

Dr Christopher Exley's avatar

Please note that following my question several weeks ago now no explanation of the mechanism whereby the 'Oligoscan' measures aluminium in the body (or indeed anywhere) has been proffered by the purveyors of this instrument.

Anna's avatar

Besides vaccines that have also a lot of aluminum we are being poisoned by air - climate engineering - by those usual suspects that think they are the chosen ones:

«Under the Poisoned Sky: The Silent War on Life»

https://books.brightlearn.ai/bca6142a-1de0-499f-bdec-7e2d181187e2/under-the-poisoned-sky-the-silent-war-on-life-bca6142a-en.pdf

Mark.Kennard's avatar

Looks like the best thing yet. When I became hypersensitive to aluminium at 14 years of age, I had to stop using antiperspirants as I would get yellow stains on the underarms of my shirts when I sweated. So it certainly does come out in sweat. My family members on the mthfr side speed up when they go over their limit of aluminium. Everything is done at full speed, you become more perceptive, think and talk faster. Has its downsides too but I always found it enjoyable in a way. I would get euphoria. Obviously I had to deal with it and remove the source of aluminium.

Maybe that’s the difference between mthfr variant humans and their polymorphisms and those who aren’t. Great post. Looks very promising.

Kat Bro's avatar

I was drinking a lot of Fiji water and had the worst athlete's foot I have ever had! I didn't connect the dots for several months but when I stopped drinking it my feet cleared up almost completely. Not sure why this would be... my diet hasn't changed so I pin the tail on the Fiji. I love all your posts but goodness it's a lot of work to try to attain anything that approaches "a healthy body" today. We are designed to be self cleaning (for the most part!) and repairing. Seems like the height of existence, on many levels, was in the 70's & 80's?

GB's avatar

Indeed. Was in my 40's then (now 94). I look back to fond memories of those times.

Tirion's avatar

🙌🏻

Go, Garry!!

Bard Joseph's avatar

Dr. Tom Cowan likes the silica from Horsetail plant

Ionome Labs's avatar

You need orders of magnitude more silica than horsetail can provide.

Will's avatar

DR.YOHO,

SO SAD TO HEAR OF YOUR ILL HEALTH FROM PARKINSONS.

AS ITS PRACTICALLY UNKNOWN, UNTIL THE LAST 200 YEARS, IT'S ALMOST CERTAINLY DO TO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL FACTOR(S)...

WHICH GIVES ME HOPE THAT SOMEONE WILL FIND THE ROOT CAUSE AND/ OR A CURE FOR YOU.

MAY GOD BRING A CURE TO YOU, FOR ALL THE HELP YOU'VE GIVEN HIS CHILDREN.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

mercury and Al

Yowza's avatar

One of the great things about being alive is to learn something new every. single. day. Today is a busy one and I CTRL-Q'd all my substacks today except this one. Thanks, Dr. Y! https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=oligoscan

Radiance's avatar

Dr. Yoho and co-authors, I’m encouraged that there’s a way to survive this aluminum onslaught. Thank you for sharing this!

Buying Fiji for a family of 6 is unsustainable. Question: The probiotic L. Plantarum is possibly something that binds to AL and helps eliminate it. Do any of you have any knowledge about this? Also, do you know if Dr. Crouse’s Silicade actually works and have you tested it with the Oligoscan?

I’m willing to do a comparison study on my family with one group taking Ionome Lab’s product and the other group taking Silicade. We haven’t tried either, and only drink Fiji now and then.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

easy to do this study and please forward the results in 3 months to me

Radiance's avatar

I’d be happy to share results. The only roadblock is not having access to an Oligoscan in my area. Would love to be able to rent an Oligoscan for this study, which could easily include 12 people.

Ionome Labs's avatar

L. Plantaram and others are solid for protecting against ingested Al. But because they reside in the colon they can’t eliminate stored Al (ie brain).

Radiance's avatar

This is very helpful to know! Thank you! We and our daughter/ son in law ordered Aluminum Export yesterday, and learned a lot from your podcast.

Radiance's avatar

I purchased Aluminum Export, and have reached out to Ionome Labs with questions about the product but haven’t received a reply. There isn’t a phone number or an email address, only a contact form. Until there is customer support and transparency I cannot recommend the product to others.

Ionome Labs's avatar

We’re sorry if we missed your email - we answer everyone within 24hrs. Feel free to resend it to info@ionomelabs.com or message me directly with your questions.

Radiance's avatar

Thank you, I’ll send an email to that address. I appreciate your reply.

Robert Yoho, MD's avatar

google oligoscan near here

Ionome Labs's avatar

Summary thoughts

A. On Aluminum Export

1 MMST has higher absorption than OSA (silica waters) 64% vs 43% (why we're using it)

2 MMST rapidly converts 90% into OSA once absorbed

3 This creates the bolus concentration of OSA Exley describes in binding to Al

4 We tested it and it works. See our case studies.

5 We also use malic acid as a secondary chelator, which binds to Al in a different way than OSA

6 We replete other minerals antagonized by Al - Mg and Li - these are not meaningfully addressed in Exley's work (or any others) but are a critical part of Al remediation

7 Nature published on the link between amyloid plaque and Li deficiency last year. Li depletion is downstream of Al tox.

8 Neuronal vulnerability to Al is at least partially determined by Mg status

9 Boron is cell protective against metal toxicity

This is why we built Aluminum Export

B. Most aluminosilicates (zeolites and others) release aluminum under low‑pH conditions (stomach acid in gut, acid rain in soil), so use caution around zeolite‑type “detox” products especially when nobody shows aluminum status pre/post. We tested a lady who took a zeolite product for years and her aluminum was in the red/excessive, most likely from dealumination of her zeolite.

C. There are many substances that have silica - bamboo, red algae, DE, horsetail - but have very low absorption relative to OSA and MMST. They also convert very poorly to OSA which is the only way to bind Al.

D. Everyone should test themselves otherwise we are just speaking in abstractions. Saying X removes aluminum from the body without testing is just opinion. There are over 450 Oligoscan devices in the USA and they're easy to find at https://www.theoligoscan.com/nearest-provider . Many 3rd party retailers let you purchase urine or hair tests yourself. Just search ‘order metals test’.

E. If you're concerned about your water test it. If you're concerned about chemtrails test rainwater/snowmelt/hail. You can that at https://mytapscore.com/ (no affiliation)

References

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2744664/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3649945/

https://ionomelabs.com/pages/research

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3391623/

https://nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09335-x

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6570791/

https://sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0940299310001107

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36006107/