Since you are a medical doctor I would like to hear your assessment regarding the EMFs (Electro Magentic Frequencies) generated by EVs and the impact of those on car occupants. I only rarely read the observation that more than just a few adopters of electric cars have abandoned the EV scene because they found operating and occupying EVs caused themselves and their families to become sick.
"People who are EMF sensitive generally hate them."
Ouch. I'm genuinely sorry to say this, but this is the same kind of victim-smearing comment that I've received about being sickened with multiple chemical sensitivity. Of course they hate them: it makes them sick. The truth is that many of us had absolutely no problems with technology, be it chemical or electrical. After all, I was an electronic technician and a nurse. It wasn't until years later that I finally discovered that my life-crippling migraines were being caused by the chemicals that surrounded me, many of which I actually liked and used regularly.
It took six years before I finally found my health answer from a University Of Washington professor of biochemistry and medical sciences, and researcher named Martin Pall. His explanation of how MCS and other diseases initiate and perpetuate actually showed me how and when my condition began (OSHA violating formaldehyde exposures). And interestingly enough, he's one of the world's foremost researchers in the field of EMR harms.
I don't have electrical hypersensitivity, but I do have a lot of information about it and believe me: there is exhaustive research dating back many, many decades. You may have seen a recent story about a US Navy medical research institute report from 1971 that linked 23 chronic diseases to wireless radiation:
For 50 Years Regulators Ignored Report Linking Wireless Radiation to 23 Chronic Diseases
There's also a USAF report from 1986 entitled “The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low Intensity Conflict”. Of the many potential military uses discussed is that with “relatively low-level RFR [radiofrequency radiation], it may be possible to sensitize large military groups to extremely dispersed amounts of biological or chemical agents to which the unirradiated population would be immune.”
One thing that we've known about EMR is that the use of pulsing is a game-changer. You know this as a physician: electrosurgery has been used since 1926. Pulsed light and sound are routinely used as lasers, CUSAs, and as someone who's had cataract surgery, you're probably familiar with phacoemulsification.
Martin Pall is the man who explains how this works biologically (although there's obviously still a lot to learn). You'll be familiar with his focus on voltage-gated calcium ion channels. If I remember correctly, he found that the use of calcium channel blockers is helpful for people who suffer from EMR hypersensitivity.
There's a TON of information about this that makes a worthy add to your “Almost Everything Scares Me These Days”. One place to start:
“Millimeter (MM) wave and microwave frequency radiation produce deeply penetrating effects: the
yes joseph i know people who that happened to. not to mention the radar they are pumping out especially from the front of the car. some emf specialists i know have measured the RF fields inside of the cars even when turned off and some are EXTREMELY high.
An important issue totally overlooked by battery-powered auto manufacturers and regulators is the significant electro-magnetic radiation generated by them.
Even the excessive and mostly needless electronics in gasoline and diesel fueled autos are emitting harmful EMFs - while surveilling you.
I appreciate the good that he has done, but let's remember, this the guy who wants to put a chip in everyone's head. They guy who says an A.I. run world in about a decade is "'inevitable", a though we have no choice; no control.
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Why did the U.S. government shut down studies on the health effects of radiation from cellphones?
"In January 2024, the National Toxicology Program (NTP) announced it had no plans to further study the effects of cellphone radiofrequency radiation (RFR) on human health — even though the program’s own $30 million study found “clear evidence” of cancer and DNA damage." Among other harmful health effects.
"...NTP in January 2024 announced via an updated fact sheet that it was abandoning further investigation of wireless radiation’s biological effects because “the research was technically challenging and more resource-intensive than expected.” "
EVS have an average of 300-400 miles?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣. On a recent excursion up the CA coast, I planned that 70 miles would be left on the battery when I arrived at the hotel. I rolled up, sweating at 6. At the hotel, I looked at the beautiful Tesla stations, knowing I needed an additional contraption on my car to use them. Luckily, the hotel clerk promised that an EV station I could use was a mile away. She was right. But unlike the sparkly Tesla chargers, it was in a somewhat seedy area with very non-sparkly chargers. This seemed to be a common thread as I assume the real estate is cheap for the leases. While Newsom and Dems boast that EVs will be mandated by 2030, the infrastructure isn't there. We no longer create infrastructure, we neglect and even blow it up as shown by the destruction of needed dams - for 'environmental reasons' that have nothing to do with the flourishing of humans. The past horrific fires with empty fire hydrants and a reservoir evidences this mindset. Newsom surely is praying the Trump administration removes CAs ability to set car emissions so he can save his political career. I have mixed feelings. Like dealing with a junkie, sometimes tough love is necessary to kick the habit of bad choices. Add to this the terrible environmental impact of creating these cars, including child labor, and this is just 'tailpipe environmentalism.' We have EVs because the leases were cheap since no one wants them. I do have to agree with Polymath Paul; they are a dream to drive, but they are one that creates a nightmare elsewhere.
i like your 'tailpipe environmentalism'. and there is the old phrase: NIMBY = not in my backyard. EVs seem nice, quiet and clean cruising by in an upscale neighborhood, but of course how many of us could bear living near the requisite lithium, cobalt, copper, nickel, etc mines?
This is precisely the driver of the owner satisfaction surveys I was discussing. Every single Tesla owner I know, loves their car. They have huge satisfaction ratings. Regular EVs have terrible satisfaction ratings specifically when it comes to charging stations.
Musk knew this and that's why he prioritized his own charging infrastructure.
Comprehensive article, but I’m surprised you didn’t include the detrimental health impact of exposure to extremely high levels of EMFs. A growing number of individuals are sensitive to Electromagnetic Radiation, with children and those with cancer and other health issues being particularly at risk.
I know a young lady with turbo breast cancer who was a fighter pilot. There is some evidence the radiation from those planes cause cancer (along with jabs is toxic cocktail)? This did make me wonder about the EVs. Glad you took up this topic. Thanks.
As soon as you bring a cell phone inside any car, you are getting a ton of High Frequency EMFs because the signals reflect all around inside. If your car has wifi (any car) then it will be even worse.
I haven't seen any reports on the fields generated by the electric motors or cables specific to an EV so I can't comment on those.
Do we not all live a life as the metaphor of threads in a tapestry? Intertwined. One part informs the other. I for one enjoy your forays into seemingly disparate subjects.
If you keep your cell phone in your car, you're already getting bombarded by EMFs. The low frequency fields vary depending on how fast you're accelerating or braking. Also if you sit in it while charging and how close you are to the motors in the vehicles.
I suspect you're going to have more negative affects from the Wifi/Cell signals which are going to be in every car that is modern.
That same electric motor infrastructure has been used in trains and subways for a century.
a car is one of the worst places to carry a cellphone that is turned on, due to the signals bouncing around and then ramping up to try to get out thru the metal (or metallized windows). an elevator is probably the worst place - for the same reason, but magnified.
2. There's proof of deliberate geoengineering to increase global temperatures and droughts, and decrease albedo by dissolving clouds with satellite and Weather Radars’ Electro-Magnetic Frequencies and through chemtrails.
3. Life involves a carbon cycle. A war on carbon is a war on life, causing crop/food scarcity, increase in food prices and famines. Decarbonization is part of the plan to exterminate 95% of us.
- Apart from sin-empowered demons, what is their main source of power? NOT a coincidence that the USA left dollar convertibility to gold in 1971, precisely triggering the exponential government deficit coupled with the trade deficit and inflation.
Taking down central banking doesn't solve the problem. Their source of free endless money is counterfeiting, fractional reserve banking and financial instruments (e.g. derivatives, debt over debt, compound interest above real growth, etc.). Also, insider information, sabotage, infiltration, manufactured news and events to create profitable market-movements.
This is the Achilles’ heel of all nations: the SSS (Satanic Secret Societies such as masonry) create trillions out of thin air and launder them through their Banks, foundations, and foreign loans and “aid”, with which they buy puppeticians and seats in the boards of the Federal Reserve (the only private-run Central Bank in the world), judiciary, corporations, media, healthcare, universities, foundations, political parties, etc.
The masons’ worst nightmare is that the daydreaming majority wakes up, finds out their crimes, and seek justice. We are a million to one. Until they achieve the CBDC digi-tatorship, they are walking on a tight rope.
We've got a very small window of opportunity to fight or ... die (they want to murder 95% of us).
President John Quincy Adams: “Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong - essentially wrong - a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.”
Yesterday, walking through the forest near my home in the Aussie bush, I ran into a young bloke was just doing a cruise after work in his old compact station wagon. We got talking and declared our mutual preference for a car with as little as possible in the way of electronics. I'm 75, he looked early 20's. When I mentioned I have a 33 year old Toyota 4WD he offered to buy it straight away.
This Toyota of mine does has electronic control of its back door and window...which stopped working decades ago. The rest is manual and goes fine in all conditions. I've parked in town and come back to a written offer-to-buy on my windscreen.
As for relying on electricals and electronics just to get windows down and doors open...even this young bloke who grew up in the new millennium knows enough about Australian floods and bushfires to understand the value of manual control over life-critical devices. And what device in a car isn't life-critical in some way at some time?
With all that said, I don't mind how Tesla upholstery and tyres don't explode immediately in the quasi-vacuum of space. Must be very special material they use. Or maybe it's the shade from the space-trees as the roadster slides by a fully lit-up Earth?
A 1965 Cruiser is to die for. Except you probably won't die in a machine like that, especially if you live where fire, flood and big fallen trees can make life awkward. Imagine being stuck in a burning forest in an EV with no power. Even in a quiet suburban area you'd have a huge towing problem then a long wait for a charge.
Send all EVs to Devon Island, where fake junk goes to die.
The old 65 is a tractor. The BJ 40 is a project I'm building. I bought up all the old 45 pick ups I could find and they are waiting I can restore them.
I expect my great grand kids will be driving these rigs when I'm buried and gone. They can plumb methane into the tank and get around.
I had a Honda hybrid for 10 years, a Prius wagon hybrid for 12 years. Loved both of them on paved roads. None of the anxiety of losing charge or looking for a charging station or spending hours charging. Magically the hybrid switched back snd forth between gas and electric with no input from me. Long trips no problem. Used regular gas stations. Always got over 50 miles per gallon. Why not use this compromise? I will say as a farm owner with livestock and lots of dirt roads, my work car is a Suburban. No way would I ever want an EV.
But that being said, I am fully supportive of Elon Musk and his brilliant innovations. If aomeone wants an EV car- go for it. It's awful the attacks coming at him.
Have you measured this? All modern cars that are wifi equipped will have huge amounts of HF EMFs because you're sitting inside a faraday cage. Any car with multiple cell phone users inside the same. (I used to use an external antenna to avoid this problem, but new phones don't support that anymore)
The LF EMFs from the electric motors and charging apparatus will depend on how close you sit to the motors. This is the exact same problem if you sit on a subway or trolley or electric train. I haven't read too much about it yet. I ride the subway every day and I'll bet those motors are putting off higher fields in certain locations than an EV.
#2 - I am curious what data you are using to back this up? Teslas had ~30% higher cost at low end models than traditional ICE cars, but on the high end were comparable to other luxury vehicles (2023 data). Non Tesla's (less specialized cars) have a repair rate comparable to ICE vehicles.
#3 - This has nothing to do with EVs. This capability exists in every single modern car.
i agree. a car is one of the worst places to carry a cellphone that is turned on, due to the signals bouncing around and then ramping up to try to get out thru the metal (or metallized windows). Actively talking on the phone exacerbates the problem. Plus, if the vehicle is moving, the phone has to keep transfering from one celltower to another, which can further ramp up it's radiation. An elevator is probably the worst place - for the same reason, but magnified.
i know most people do it, but a car is really NOT a good place to use a cellphone.
Teslas are even worse than other cars, because you cannot turn off all the wireless signals even when they are off and parked. i know, because two of my relatives drive them. i avoid even getting near the darn things.
Sorry to say, but (underground) subways are most likely near the bad end of the spectrum, especially if crowded with lots of cellphones, "wearables", etc.
I'm surprised that there is no mention of the effects on human health of the EMF radiation from the batteries and motors. Surely those effects are both real and harmful?
My bet is that the EMFs from Wifi and cell phones are probably the worst of this, and that's going to be in every single new car with electronics and wifi enabled.
In an EV you're subjected to completely different Low frequency fields from the electric motors and battery management systems, but this is highly dependent on how fast you're accelerating, braking, whether you are charging, and how close you are to the motors.
Trains and subways have the same problem and have been around forever.
Yes, and the effects of different fields. What's unique to the EV is the LF EMFs, which are similar in frequency to the ones you see from powerline infrastructure. I'm sure they're not helpful to your body, but it's hard to quantify the actual health affects. The time you spend in the vehicle probably matters a lot too.
Riding a subway would subject you to similar fields.
These are extraoridinary times. Content providers have strayed and that is just fine.
Basic high school biology: CO2 is the molecule of life. The more of it the healthier and better for the green plants that sustain life. C (carbon) is best sequested in the soil.
Greenies have forgotton (if they ever knew) the most fundamental chemistry.
Very important to disclose that current Teslas require no cobalt as mining it was an environmental and human slavery issue something social justice warriors did not know or care about.
The sooner both ICE and Li Ion is replaced by something that is so much better the discussion
becomes irrelevant, the better. It is on the horizon.
According to Consumer Reports owner surveys (published in every April issue), Tesla owner satisfaction gets CR's lowest rating. The owners are disappointed in these EV's overall quality. I mention this because, in this Yoho article, it is stated that 90% of Tesla owners are highly satisfied with their vehicles. The three Tesla models in the CR ratings have low ratings for every model year back to 2017, indicating that Tesla has done nothing to remedy the causes of customer dissatisfaction.
The statistic I should have qualified (maybe I did) is about the charging infrastructure, which is critical. In 2024, only 12% of Tesla owners had concerns with charging stations (88% satisified) vs 33% encountering issues with non tesla charging. For Tesla that high satisfaction has been consistent for a long time, while I believe the 66% satisfaction for non-teslas is higher than prior years.
AI is handy for this:
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Tesla Supercharger Network
2025: Only 4% of Tesla Supercharger users reported encountering issues, such as malfunctioning hardware or unresponsive screens. This is consistent with Tesla's historically low failure rates.
2023: Approximately 3.9% of Tesla Supercharger users experienced charging failures, maintaining its reputation for reliability.
Tesla's decade-long investment in high-quality hardware and software updates has ensured consistent uptime and minimal downtime compared to other networks.
Non-Tesla Charging Networks
2025: Networks like Shell Recharge, EVgo, and Blink reported much higher issue rates, with 48%, 43%, and 41% of users encountering problems, respectively. Common issues included broken screens, payment failures, and unresponsive chargers.
2024: J.D. Power found that 19% of EV owners reported failed charging visits at public chargers overall, with 61% of these failures attributed to out-of-service or malfunctioning chargers.
2023: Over 21% of non-Tesla EV drivers experienced failed charging attempts due to out-of-service equipment, a significant gap compared to Tesla's 3.9% failure rate.
Electrify America, a major non-Tesla network, has been criticized for poor reliability, with some stations experiencing weeks or months of downtime. Despite claiming 95–98% uptime, real-world evaluations have found functionality rates closer to 72.5%, highlighting discrepancies in reported versus actual performance.
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WRT to official numbers of general satisfaction with the cars, I don't think I commented but I can say that every single Tesla owner -- without exception -- that I spoke to loved it. That includes a lot of uber drivers across US cities.
I've owned a Tesla for 11 years. The best car I've ever owned. Simple, fast, quiet and virtually maintenance free. My maintenance is replacing tires and wiper blades. No oil or radiator changes. No fan belts. No exhaust. No air filters. I appreciate that EVs are not for everyone. For a person who lives in a city with access to clean electricity, it is a big improvement over the noise and exhaust of gas/diesel powered vehicles.
Me, too. My Tesla was the best car I've ever owned in 50 years of motoring. With charging at home not possible for me, charging was a pain but at least it was free. But now I'm too concerned about the health effects of the EMF radiation from the batteries and motors to own an EV again :(
I, on the other hand, am in a situation where a specific type of EV makes a lot of sense.
A hybrid EV that can go only about 150 miles before it starts up a gasoline motor that recharges a much smaller battery. Instead of a 1,000 lb battery, a hybrid uses a 200 lb battery. Instead of 250 tons, only 50 tons of material has to be mined. Toyota and others are making hybrid EVs - at about 60% of the cost of the heavy EVs. I live in Washington State - where about 99% of the power comes from water, not gasoline, and it never gets so cold as to reduce battery capacity. I am retired, and drive only about 100 miles per month - (and bike about 200 miles per month). I doubt that I would ever need to recharge the hybrid away from home. When I need a new car in about a decade, it will probably be a hybrid.
Since you are a medical doctor I would like to hear your assessment regarding the EMFs (Electro Magentic Frequencies) generated by EVs and the impact of those on car occupants. I only rarely read the observation that more than just a few adopters of electric cars have abandoned the EV scene because they found operating and occupying EVs caused themselves and their families to become sick.
Search my archives for my 3 EMF articles. To learn how, Google it.
Don't put that medical doctor nonsense on me.
Teslas are rumored to produce massive EMF exposures, but I have not metered one.
People who are EMF sensitive generally hate them.
All that said, my current impression (that is all it is) is that the EMF issues are overrated.
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"People who are EMF sensitive generally hate them."
Ouch. I'm genuinely sorry to say this, but this is the same kind of victim-smearing comment that I've received about being sickened with multiple chemical sensitivity. Of course they hate them: it makes them sick. The truth is that many of us had absolutely no problems with technology, be it chemical or electrical. After all, I was an electronic technician and a nurse. It wasn't until years later that I finally discovered that my life-crippling migraines were being caused by the chemicals that surrounded me, many of which I actually liked and used regularly.
It took six years before I finally found my health answer from a University Of Washington professor of biochemistry and medical sciences, and researcher named Martin Pall. His explanation of how MCS and other diseases initiate and perpetuate actually showed me how and when my condition began (OSHA violating formaldehyde exposures). And interestingly enough, he's one of the world's foremost researchers in the field of EMR harms.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin-Pall
I don't have electrical hypersensitivity, but I do have a lot of information about it and believe me: there is exhaustive research dating back many, many decades. You may have seen a recent story about a US Navy medical research institute report from 1971 that linked 23 chronic diseases to wireless radiation:
For 50 Years Regulators Ignored Report Linking Wireless Radiation to 23 Chronic Diseases
https://tdefender.substack.com/p/50-years-regulators-wireless-radiation-23-chronic-diseases?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2173740&post_id=157462340&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=pq099&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
There's also a USAF report from 1986 entitled “The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low Intensity Conflict”. Of the many potential military uses discussed is that with “relatively low-level RFR [radiofrequency radiation], it may be possible to sensitize large military groups to extremely dispersed amounts of biological or chemical agents to which the unirradiated population would be immune.”
One thing that we've known about EMR is that the use of pulsing is a game-changer. You know this as a physician: electrosurgery has been used since 1926. Pulsed light and sound are routinely used as lasers, CUSAs, and as someone who's had cataract surgery, you're probably familiar with phacoemulsification.
Martin Pall is the man who explains how this works biologically (although there's obviously still a lot to learn). You'll be familiar with his focus on voltage-gated calcium ion channels. If I remember correctly, he found that the use of calcium channel blockers is helpful for people who suffer from EMR hypersensitivity.
There's a TON of information about this that makes a worthy add to your “Almost Everything Scares Me These Days”. One place to start:
“Millimeter (MM) wave and microwave frequency radiation produce deeply penetrating effects: the
biology and the physics”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351924112_Millimeter_MM_wave_and_microwave_frequency_radiation_produce_deeply_penetrating_effects_the_biology_and_the_physics
Noone I know disputes EMF sensitivity. The open question is how many it affects.
Dr. Tess Lawrie, in this post (scroll down when you get there), shared a vid of her inside of a Tesla, measuring its radiation. It's off the charts! Well worth a quick view. https://drtesslawrie.substack.com/p/the-struggles-of-everyday-americans?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true
thanks!
She's only measuring Wifi EMFs. That could be in ANY car that has wifi built in which a lot of modern cars do.
That has nothing to do with the fact it's an EV.
not if you feel them in the moment . . . or . . . don't want to get cancer, neurological disease, or a host of other bad problems.
I think this is covered in past posts. Driving an EV I do wonder if I am not just holding an iphone to my ear, I am literally within the iphone.
yep. a darwin award scenario in slow motion. and invisible.
yes joseph i know people who that happened to. not to mention the radar they are pumping out especially from the front of the car. some emf specialists i know have measured the RF fields inside of the cars even when turned off and some are EXTREMELY high.
An important issue totally overlooked by battery-powered auto manufacturers and regulators is the significant electro-magnetic radiation generated by them.
Even the excessive and mostly needless electronics in gasoline and diesel fueled autos are emitting harmful EMFs - while surveilling you.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/emr/electric-vehicle-dangers/
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But don't worry. Elon Musk says they're safe.
I appreciate the good that he has done, but let's remember, this the guy who wants to put a chip in everyone's head. They guy who says an A.I. run world in about a decade is "'inevitable", a though we have no choice; no control.
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Why did the U.S. government shut down studies on the health effects of radiation from cellphones?
"In January 2024, the National Toxicology Program (NTP) announced it had no plans to further study the effects of cellphone radiofrequency radiation (RFR) on human health — even though the program’s own $30 million study found “clear evidence” of cancer and DNA damage." Among other harmful health effects.
"...NTP in January 2024 announced via an updated fact sheet that it was abandoning further investigation of wireless radiation’s biological effects because “the research was technically challenging and more resource-intensive than expected.” "
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/email-trail-more-questions-than-answers-why-nih-shut-down-studies-cellphone-radiation/
exactly drk - all valid crucial points. altho i am not sure at this point about the good he has done . . .
EVS have an average of 300-400 miles?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣. On a recent excursion up the CA coast, I planned that 70 miles would be left on the battery when I arrived at the hotel. I rolled up, sweating at 6. At the hotel, I looked at the beautiful Tesla stations, knowing I needed an additional contraption on my car to use them. Luckily, the hotel clerk promised that an EV station I could use was a mile away. She was right. But unlike the sparkly Tesla chargers, it was in a somewhat seedy area with very non-sparkly chargers. This seemed to be a common thread as I assume the real estate is cheap for the leases. While Newsom and Dems boast that EVs will be mandated by 2030, the infrastructure isn't there. We no longer create infrastructure, we neglect and even blow it up as shown by the destruction of needed dams - for 'environmental reasons' that have nothing to do with the flourishing of humans. The past horrific fires with empty fire hydrants and a reservoir evidences this mindset. Newsom surely is praying the Trump administration removes CAs ability to set car emissions so he can save his political career. I have mixed feelings. Like dealing with a junkie, sometimes tough love is necessary to kick the habit of bad choices. Add to this the terrible environmental impact of creating these cars, including child labor, and this is just 'tailpipe environmentalism.' We have EVs because the leases were cheap since no one wants them. I do have to agree with Polymath Paul; they are a dream to drive, but they are one that creates a nightmare elsewhere.
exactly
i like your 'tailpipe environmentalism'. and there is the old phrase: NIMBY = not in my backyard. EVs seem nice, quiet and clean cruising by in an upscale neighborhood, but of course how many of us could bear living near the requisite lithium, cobalt, copper, nickel, etc mines?
This applies to pretty much all the materials used for modern society.
This is precisely the driver of the owner satisfaction surveys I was discussing. Every single Tesla owner I know, loves their car. They have huge satisfaction ratings. Regular EVs have terrible satisfaction ratings specifically when it comes to charging stations.
Musk knew this and that's why he prioritized his own charging infrastructure.
Comprehensive article, but I’m surprised you didn’t include the detrimental health impact of exposure to extremely high levels of EMFs. A growing number of individuals are sensitive to Electromagnetic Radiation, with children and those with cancer and other health issues being particularly at risk.
my take is it is overrated, see above
I know a young lady with turbo breast cancer who was a fighter pilot. There is some evidence the radiation from those planes cause cancer (along with jabs is toxic cocktail)? This did make me wonder about the EVs. Glad you took up this topic. Thanks.
and then there all the young women who have gotten breast cancer right where they tuck their phone.
As soon as you bring a cell phone inside any car, you are getting a ton of High Frequency EMFs because the signals reflect all around inside. If your car has wifi (any car) then it will be even worse.
I haven't seen any reports on the fields generated by the electric motors or cables specific to an EV so I can't comment on those.
Do we not all live a life as the metaphor of threads in a tapestry? Intertwined. One part informs the other. I for one enjoy your forays into seemingly disparate subjects.
Thanks K
Rent control is upcoming
EVs are not healthy. Sitting in such a high EMF field for long periods of time is not healthy.
If you keep your cell phone in your car, you're already getting bombarded by EMFs. The low frequency fields vary depending on how fast you're accelerating or braking. Also if you sit in it while charging and how close you are to the motors in the vehicles.
I suspect you're going to have more negative affects from the Wifi/Cell signals which are going to be in every car that is modern.
That same electric motor infrastructure has been used in trains and subways for a century.
a car is one of the worst places to carry a cellphone that is turned on, due to the signals bouncing around and then ramping up to try to get out thru the metal (or metallized windows). an elevator is probably the worst place - for the same reason, but magnified.
Elon's top secret: EVs cause cancer
Go green with gasoline!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/electric-vehicles-cause-cancer
- You are the carbon they want to exterminate! Proven in 3:
1. No one denies that man affects the weather, but science disagrees with the official narrative.
Prehistoric data from ice cores proves that temperature rise precedes carbon release in the atmosphere, not the other way around.
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/best-scientific-sources-to-debunk
2. There's proof of deliberate geoengineering to increase global temperatures and droughts, and decrease albedo by dissolving clouds with satellite and Weather Radars’ Electro-Magnetic Frequencies and through chemtrails.
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/satattack
3. Life involves a carbon cycle. A war on carbon is a war on life, causing crop/food scarcity, increase in food prices and famines. Decarbonization is part of the plan to exterminate 95% of us.
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/carbon-reparations
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/climate-deaths
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/killing-me-softly-with-green-songs
- Apart from sin-empowered demons, what is their main source of power? NOT a coincidence that the USA left dollar convertibility to gold in 1971, precisely triggering the exponential government deficit coupled with the trade deficit and inflation.
Taking down central banking doesn't solve the problem. Their source of free endless money is counterfeiting, fractional reserve banking and financial instruments (e.g. derivatives, debt over debt, compound interest above real growth, etc.). Also, insider information, sabotage, infiltration, manufactured news and events to create profitable market-movements.
This is the Achilles’ heel of all nations: the SSS (Satanic Secret Societies such as masonry) create trillions out of thin air and launder them through their Banks, foundations, and foreign loans and “aid”, with which they buy puppeticians and seats in the boards of the Federal Reserve (the only private-run Central Bank in the world), judiciary, corporations, media, healthcare, universities, foundations, political parties, etc.
The masons’ worst nightmare is that the daydreaming majority wakes up, finds out their crimes, and seek justice. We are a million to one. Until they achieve the CBDC digi-tatorship, they are walking on a tight rope.
We've got a very small window of opportunity to fight or ... die (they want to murder 95% of us).
President John Quincy Adams: “Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong - essentially wrong - a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.”
Satanic Secret Societies for dummies:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/sss-for-dummies
Who are The Powers That SHOULDN'T Be ?
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/criminal-intent
https://www.coreysdigs.com/global/who-is-they/
The end of money and freedom
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/uncle-sam-altman
LBJ killed JFK
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/lbj-killed-jfk
Weaponization of Justice: no democracy with Freemasonry!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/weaponization-of-justice
Illuminati David Rockefeller, finest quotes:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati
Confessions of ex illuminati Ronald Bernard:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/confessions-of-illuminati-ronald
Illuminati Attali, finest quotes:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/attali-illuminati-finest-quotes
Chisholm, father of the WHO’s global pedophilia
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/brock-chisholm-father-of-the-whos
Ex mason Serge Abad-Gallardo:
https://www.ncregister.com/interview/confessions-of-a-former-freemason-officer-converted-to-catholicism
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
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you know the whole symphony
Yesterday, walking through the forest near my home in the Aussie bush, I ran into a young bloke was just doing a cruise after work in his old compact station wagon. We got talking and declared our mutual preference for a car with as little as possible in the way of electronics. I'm 75, he looked early 20's. When I mentioned I have a 33 year old Toyota 4WD he offered to buy it straight away.
This Toyota of mine does has electronic control of its back door and window...which stopped working decades ago. The rest is manual and goes fine in all conditions. I've parked in town and come back to a written offer-to-buy on my windscreen.
As for relying on electricals and electronics just to get windows down and doors open...even this young bloke who grew up in the new millennium knows enough about Australian floods and bushfires to understand the value of manual control over life-critical devices. And what device in a car isn't life-critical in some way at some time?
With all that said, I don't mind how Tesla upholstery and tyres don't explode immediately in the quasi-vacuum of space. Must be very special material they use. Or maybe it's the shade from the space-trees as the roadster slides by a fully lit-up Earth?
I have a 1965 Toyota FJ40 Land cruiser with a 4200cc gasoline motor that runs on propane gas.
A BJ40 with 2800 cc Diesel motor that I'm hooking an LPG power nozzle to boost HP when required.
I shake me head when I see those green plated EVs.
There are so many alternative ways to run a combustion engine.
This whole thing is a fad. A stupid marketing grift.
Lithium ion batteries are junk and a environmental disaster waiting to happen.
China has huge graveyards full of these electric eggbeaters.
worse
it's a plot designed to destroy us
I installed a 550 lb lithium ion battery back up on a solar system. $30.000 USD when the smoke cleared. It blew up after 3 days.
I couldn't find anyone to accept it. I left it out front sealed in plastic and I bet it's in the local landfill.
A 1965 Cruiser is to die for. Except you probably won't die in a machine like that, especially if you live where fire, flood and big fallen trees can make life awkward. Imagine being stuck in a burning forest in an EV with no power. Even in a quiet suburban area you'd have a huge towing problem then a long wait for a charge.
Send all EVs to Devon Island, where fake junk goes to die.
The old 65 is a tractor. The BJ 40 is a project I'm building. I bought up all the old 45 pick ups I could find and they are waiting I can restore them.
I expect my great grand kids will be driving these rigs when I'm buried and gone. They can plumb methane into the tank and get around.
I had a Honda hybrid for 10 years, a Prius wagon hybrid for 12 years. Loved both of them on paved roads. None of the anxiety of losing charge or looking for a charging station or spending hours charging. Magically the hybrid switched back snd forth between gas and electric with no input from me. Long trips no problem. Used regular gas stations. Always got over 50 miles per gallon. Why not use this compromise? I will say as a farm owner with livestock and lots of dirt roads, my work car is a Suburban. No way would I ever want an EV.
But that being said, I am fully supportive of Elon Musk and his brilliant innovations. If aomeone wants an EV car- go for it. It's awful the attacks coming at him.
#1 They have too many EMFs.
#2 They are more likely to break and more costly to repair over the long term.
#3 They make it too easy to spy on the drive.
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#1
Have you measured this? All modern cars that are wifi equipped will have huge amounts of HF EMFs because you're sitting inside a faraday cage. Any car with multiple cell phone users inside the same. (I used to use an external antenna to avoid this problem, but new phones don't support that anymore)
The LF EMFs from the electric motors and charging apparatus will depend on how close you sit to the motors. This is the exact same problem if you sit on a subway or trolley or electric train. I haven't read too much about it yet. I ride the subway every day and I'll bet those motors are putting off higher fields in certain locations than an EV.
#2 - I am curious what data you are using to back this up? Teslas had ~30% higher cost at low end models than traditional ICE cars, but on the high end were comparable to other luxury vehicles (2023 data). Non Tesla's (less specialized cars) have a repair rate comparable to ICE vehicles.
#3 - This has nothing to do with EVs. This capability exists in every single modern car.
i agree. a car is one of the worst places to carry a cellphone that is turned on, due to the signals bouncing around and then ramping up to try to get out thru the metal (or metallized windows). Actively talking on the phone exacerbates the problem. Plus, if the vehicle is moving, the phone has to keep transfering from one celltower to another, which can further ramp up it's radiation. An elevator is probably the worst place - for the same reason, but magnified.
i know most people do it, but a car is really NOT a good place to use a cellphone.
Teslas are even worse than other cars, because you cannot turn off all the wireless signals even when they are off and parked. i know, because two of my relatives drive them. i avoid even getting near the darn things.
Sorry to say, but (underground) subways are most likely near the bad end of the spectrum, especially if crowded with lots of cellphones, "wearables", etc.
#4 if one crashes into you, you’re dead. Too heavy!
I'm surprised that there is no mention of the effects on human health of the EMF radiation from the batteries and motors. Surely those effects are both real and harmful?
yes and yes
My bet is that the EMFs from Wifi and cell phones are probably the worst of this, and that's going to be in every single new car with electronics and wifi enabled.
In an EV you're subjected to completely different Low frequency fields from the electric motors and battery management systems, but this is highly dependent on how fast you're accelerating, braking, whether you are charging, and how close you are to the motors.
Trains and subways have the same problem and have been around forever.
Yes, I guess the alleged harms depend on the amount of time spent in the EMF and the intensity of the field in question - many factors in play.
Yes, and the effects of different fields. What's unique to the EV is the LF EMFs, which are similar in frequency to the ones you see from powerline infrastructure. I'm sure they're not helpful to your body, but it's hard to quantify the actual health affects. The time you spend in the vehicle probably matters a lot too.
Riding a subway would subject you to similar fields.
Yes, hard to quantify and assess, but does not feel like coincidence.
"Chart of Radio Frequency (RF) & Electromagnetic Frequency (EMF) Advances and Correlating Epidemics & Pandemics"
https://www.monkeyilluminati.com/2020/03/29/rf_emf_shamdemic/
These are extraoridinary times. Content providers have strayed and that is just fine.
Basic high school biology: CO2 is the molecule of life. The more of it the healthier and better for the green plants that sustain life. C (carbon) is best sequested in the soil.
Greenies have forgotton (if they ever knew) the most fundamental chemistry.
Very important to disclose that current Teslas require no cobalt as mining it was an environmental and human slavery issue something social justice warriors did not know or care about.
The sooner both ICE and Li Ion is replaced by something that is so much better the discussion
becomes irrelevant, the better. It is on the horizon.
Do I want to sit on that lithium battery and receive that level of radiation daily? No. Simple as that.
According to Consumer Reports owner surveys (published in every April issue), Tesla owner satisfaction gets CR's lowest rating. The owners are disappointed in these EV's overall quality. I mention this because, in this Yoho article, it is stated that 90% of Tesla owners are highly satisfied with their vehicles. The three Tesla models in the CR ratings have low ratings for every model year back to 2017, indicating that Tesla has done nothing to remedy the causes of customer dissatisfaction.
good to know but that was George not me
he's usually reliable
The statistic I should have qualified (maybe I did) is about the charging infrastructure, which is critical. In 2024, only 12% of Tesla owners had concerns with charging stations (88% satisified) vs 33% encountering issues with non tesla charging. For Tesla that high satisfaction has been consistent for a long time, while I believe the 66% satisfaction for non-teslas is higher than prior years.
AI is handy for this:
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Tesla Supercharger Network
2025: Only 4% of Tesla Supercharger users reported encountering issues, such as malfunctioning hardware or unresponsive screens. This is consistent with Tesla's historically low failure rates.
2023: Approximately 3.9% of Tesla Supercharger users experienced charging failures, maintaining its reputation for reliability.
Tesla's decade-long investment in high-quality hardware and software updates has ensured consistent uptime and minimal downtime compared to other networks.
Non-Tesla Charging Networks
2025: Networks like Shell Recharge, EVgo, and Blink reported much higher issue rates, with 48%, 43%, and 41% of users encountering problems, respectively. Common issues included broken screens, payment failures, and unresponsive chargers.
2024: J.D. Power found that 19% of EV owners reported failed charging visits at public chargers overall, with 61% of these failures attributed to out-of-service or malfunctioning chargers.
2023: Over 21% of non-Tesla EV drivers experienced failed charging attempts due to out-of-service equipment, a significant gap compared to Tesla's 3.9% failure rate.
Electrify America, a major non-Tesla network, has been criticized for poor reliability, with some stations experiencing weeks or months of downtime. Despite claiming 95–98% uptime, real-world evaluations have found functionality rates closer to 72.5%, highlighting discrepancies in reported versus actual performance.
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WRT to official numbers of general satisfaction with the cars, I don't think I commented but I can say that every single Tesla owner -- without exception -- that I spoke to loved it. That includes a lot of uber drivers across US cities.
What about hybrid?
And I would argue EV are the performance option. As in 0-60
I've owned a Tesla for 11 years. The best car I've ever owned. Simple, fast, quiet and virtually maintenance free. My maintenance is replacing tires and wiper blades. No oil or radiator changes. No fan belts. No exhaust. No air filters. I appreciate that EVs are not for everyone. For a person who lives in a city with access to clean electricity, it is a big improvement over the noise and exhaust of gas/diesel powered vehicles.
Me, too. My Tesla was the best car I've ever owned in 50 years of motoring. With charging at home not possible for me, charging was a pain but at least it was free. But now I'm too concerned about the health effects of the EMF radiation from the batteries and motors to own an EV again :(
this is realistic
Concur!
I, on the other hand, am in a situation where a specific type of EV makes a lot of sense.
A hybrid EV that can go only about 150 miles before it starts up a gasoline motor that recharges a much smaller battery. Instead of a 1,000 lb battery, a hybrid uses a 200 lb battery. Instead of 250 tons, only 50 tons of material has to be mined. Toyota and others are making hybrid EVs - at about 60% of the cost of the heavy EVs. I live in Washington State - where about 99% of the power comes from water, not gasoline, and it never gets so cold as to reduce battery capacity. I am retired, and drive only about 100 miles per month - (and bike about 200 miles per month). I doubt that I would ever need to recharge the hybrid away from home. When I need a new car in about a decade, it will probably be a hybrid.
Yeah, Toyota proved the hybrids can really work well. Over a decade of solid performance. But, they are more complex than either ICE or dedicated EVs.